D
Deleted member 24525
Guest
Let’s go back to ragging on CNATRA and Helo guys.
-
Please take a moment and update your account profile. If you have an updated account profile with basic information on why you are on Air Warriors it will help other people respond to your posts. How do you update your profile you ask?
Go here:
Edit Account Details and Profile
The SHOW: Airlines still a "good gig"??
- Thread starter A4sForever
- Start date
aaaaand Ospreys.
D
Deleted member 24525
Guest
Yes and ospreys
Still don’t understand the “clearance on request” angst, I hear it all the time when PDC or CPDLC are not available.
It's like pulling up to the hold short line and appending your call to the the control tower with "takeoff on request." Maybe not so much angst as OCD.
Now if we could just get the CNATRA guys, helo guys, Osprey guys, nasty guys, and speedy guys to stop doing this...
Never gave it a second thought but what do I know, I’ve only been doing this shit for 35 years.?
By calling up with the phrase "IFR to ____," you just requested your clearance... that's how your request your clearance, it's what that phrase means. Calling up and asking for it in the same call is redundant. The meaning of the phrase, "Your clearance is on request," is that you don't have a clearance yet but the clearance delivery controller is acknowledging that he received and understood your radio call but it's going to be a few more moments until you get your clearance (clearance delivery controller on the ground, usually approach if you're already airborne and picking up your clearance that way).
Think of it another way- if you're a VFR flight originating from a Class B airport and going VFR somewhere, you call clearance delivery and say "VFR to KBFE." You don't explicitly ask clearance delivery for clearance to enter the Class B airspace because that would be redundant and you're making yourself sound weird. This is the same concept.
Nothing wrong with adding polite words to your call, i.e. "Good morning, Pawtucket Clearance. Navy xxxxxx, request IFR to KBFE." Just understand the meaning, that's all. "Pawtucket Clearance, Navy xxxx, IFR to KBFE, clearance on request" is like some weird pilot-to-controller Jedi mind trick.
D
Deleted member 24525
Guest
Relax Jim!
99% of military aviators do this. Intent is the same, and CD on base expects to hear it.
It’s like ATC getting annoyed when you say “checking in” or “with you” Nobody cares except the one guy who cares. I can’t think of a single time where I didn’t hear “clearance on request” on a military freq.
In the civilian world you rarely have to call to get a clearance anyway-most is done through data anyway-PDC or CPDLC
Yes, not a huge deal. But this came up from a discussion on how military dudes sound silly on the radio. It’s perfectly normal at a military field, but it’s still wrong. And sounds silly at a civilian field.
Y’all are arguing/debating over nothing. Nobody cares.. The only thing that actually matters is complying with actual clearance.
D
Deleted member 24525
Guest
We sound stupid, but only when we actually do have to make a clearance call… Which is very rarely now because of CPDLC and other data services
I don’t know of any major airlines that call for clearances in the US.
We don’t sound that done on the radio… It’s more sounding dumb trying to figure out who to talk to, ramp, ground etc
Yes like I said, not a huge deal. It’s easy not to have to talk to clearance most of the time. It’s also easy to say it right when it’s necessary.