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The SHOW: Airlines still a "good gig"??

HuggyU2

HuggyU2

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Simply replace "clearance on request" with "ready to copy", and everyone will be happy.

Nasty Flyer said:
I don’t know of any major airlines that call for clearances in the US.
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Did you know that the major airlines fly out of Hawaii? I call for clearance every time I'm in Kona, Lihue, Maui, and Hilo.

I'll ops-check that tomorrow afternoon after I'm done paddle boarding.
 
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huggyu2 said:
Simply replace "clearance on request" with "ready to copy", and everyone will be happy.


Did you know that the major airlines fly out of Hawaii? I call for clearance every time I'm in Kona, Lihue, Maui, and Hilo.

I'll ops-check that tomorrow afternoon after I'm done paddle boarding.
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Sorry
CONUS
 
HAL Pilot

HAL Pilot

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wink said:
My personal beef, when issued traffic the responding pilot answers " no contact, but we got him on the fish finder". The controller does not care if you have an image on the TCAS. He points out traffic for you to visually see, not electronically. Legally, it does nothing for him or you. Practically, it does nothing since the answer is not responsive. The controller does not have any idea if you are looking or will continue to look since you have a contact on TCAS. He doesn't know if you see the traffic at some point later or not. That response is a waste of a transmission. It communicates nothing of use to anyone. You are not going to maneuver based on what you see on the TCAS. As far as I am concerned, if the TCAS isn't yelling at me, it may as well not be there. Works in the background like EGPWS. If a controller issued "terrain alert, check your altitude", would you respond, "got it on the gipwiz" ?
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Anyone who says "fishfinder" is a douche that needs to die anyway.
 
sevenhelmet

sevenhelmet

Low calorie attack from the Heartland
pilot
Just flew a Super Hornet across the country without ever saying "clearance on request" once. Very smooth. However, it did nothing for the approach controller who vectored my flight of 3 directly overhead KCOS at 3,000' AGL all while refusing to switch us to tower until we reported having information November (ATIS was not broadcasting). He asked us to report November FOUR TIMES, and I kept responding "not receiving ATIS". I finally just told him we had the field in sight and were switching tower. Dick.

Flying in the national airspace system is harrowing, I tell you. ;)

Interesting post-script is that on landing, there was an unforecast microburst with 40-45 knot loss across the airfield. Luckily it wasn't over the runway.
 
Jim123

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
Did you write an ASAP about it? We need to get left of the event for the next time this happens.

:p
 
wink

wink

War Hoover NFO.
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Was once flying to Phoenix from the northwest in my C-170B. Luke AFB has a Special Air Traffic Rule (SATR) that REQUIRES VFR aircraft to establish positive control with Luke approach quite some distance out to the west of the base. There is really no way around it unless you circle way out to the north or south. Up side is, they bring you right over midfield. I specifically asked for a hand off to PHX App because I knew I was at an altitude that would put me in the Class B. I got an affirmative from the Luke controller and then later a hand off directly to the PHX controller with no qualification. The PHX controller went ape shit about being in his airspace, made a disparaging comment about my knowledge of the Class B and told me to take my own vector and altitude to exit the Class B immediately. As I turned and descended threading a needle between Luke and Goodyear Airport Class C and the Class B I mentioned I had gotten and hand off and he said he didn't give clearance to enter his airspace and was too busy to do so. BS. I listened in the next 20 minutes I flew out of my way. The PHX controllers are some of the worse in the country.
 
HooverPilot

HooverPilot

CODPilot
pilot
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wink said:
Was once flying to Phoenix from the northwest in my C-170B. Luke AFB has a Special Air Traffic Rule (SATR) that REQUIRES VFR aircraft to establish positive control with Luke approach quite some distance out to the west of the base. There is really no way around it unless you circle way out to the north or south. Up side is, they bring you right over midfield. I specifically asked for a hand off to PHX App because I knew I was at an altitude that would put me in the Class B. I got an affirmative from the Luke controller and then later a hand off directly to the PHX controller with no qualification. The PHX controller went ape shit about being in his airspace, made a disparaging comment about my knowledge of the Class B and told me to take my own vector and altitude to exit the Class B immediately. As I turned and descended threading a needle between Luke and Goodyear Airport Class C and the Class B I mentioned I had gotten and hand off and he said he didn't give clearance to enter his airspace and was too busy to do so. BS. I listened in the next 20 minutes I flew out of my way. The PHX controllers are some of the worse in the country.
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I have had the same scenario happen with a 4-plane of T-45s. It appears they don’t discriminate with the hate!
 
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Deere1450

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Phoenix controllers suck. I grew up just south of there. I think the crankiest goes to Houston. They’re a miserable bunch down there.
 
scoolbubba

scoolbubba

Brett327 gargles ballsacks
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sevenhelmet said:
Just flew a Super Hornet across the country without ever saying "clearance on request" once. Very smooth. However, it did nothing for the approach controller who vectored my flight of 3 directly overhead KCOS at 3,000' AGL all while refusing to switch us to tower until we reported having information November (ATIS was not broadcasting). He asked us to report November FOUR TIMES, and I kept responding "not receiving ATIS". I finally just told him we had the field in sight and were switching tower. Dick.

Flying in the national airspace system is harrowing, I tell you. ;)

Interesting post-script is that on landing, there was an unforecast microburst with 40-45 knot loss across the airfield. Luckily it wasn't over the runway.
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Cancel IFR.

He doesn’t know if you’re in the clouds or not.
 
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