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The SHOW: Airlines still a "good gig"??

xj220

xj220

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Jim123 said:
By calling up with the phrase "IFR to ____," you just requested your clearance... that's how your request your clearance, it's what that phrase means. Calling up and asking for it in the same call is redundant. The meaning of the phrase, "Your clearance is on request," is that you don't have a clearance yet but the clearance delivery controller is acknowledging that he received and understood your radio call but it's going to be a few more moments until you get your clearance (clearance delivery controller on the ground, usually approach if you're already airborne and picking up your clearance that way).

Think of it another way- if you're a VFR flight originating from a Class B airport and going VFR somewhere, you call clearance delivery and say "VFR to KBFE." You don't explicitly ask clearance delivery for clearance to enter the Class B airspace because that would be redundant and you're making yourself sound weird. This is the same concept.

Nothing wrong with adding polite words to your call, i.e. "Good morning, Pawtucket Clearance. Navy xxxxxx, request IFR to KBFE." Just understand the meaning, that's all. "Pawtucket Clearance, Navy xxxx, IFR to KBFE, clearance on request" is like some weird pilot-to-controller Jedi mind trick.
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Triggered?
 
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Nasty Flyer said:
We sound stupid, but only when we actually do have to make a clearance call… Which is very rarely now because of CPDLC and other data services
I don’t know of any major airlines that call for clearances in the US.
We don’t sound that done on the radio… It’s more sounding dumb trying to figure out who to talk to, ramp, ground etc
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I’ve called for clearance about four or five times in the last month alone while flying domestically. Reasons: old planes with broken ACARS, maintenance issues and a delayed departure and dispatch didn’t refile our new flight plan, airfields with EDTCs that require you to contact clearance delivery prior to push and or taxi and of course lovely Philadelphia with the call from ground during taxi “contact clearance delivery for your full reroute” .....

Surprisingly Nassau has been my worst experience trying to understand the full reroute, it’s like we were speaking different languages or something ?
 
Gatordev

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I’ve called for clearance about four or five times in the last month alone while flying domestically.
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Plus not everyone flies Part 121.

Surprisingly Nassau has been my worst experience trying to understand the full reroute, it’s like we were speaking different languages or something ?
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Even before the FAA went ICAO on runway holds, Nassau did always seem to be in it's own world on language. We (pilot and ATC) always made it work, but it did seem like there were extra comms needed to make it work.

"Wait, you went West to MYAF for 2 hours, and now you're back!?! What wizardry is this?"
 
wink

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My personal beef, when issued traffic the responding pilot answers " no contact, but we got him on the fish finder". The controller does not care if you have an image on the TCAS. He points out traffic for you to visually see, not electronically. Legally, it does nothing for him or you. Practically, it does nothing since the answer is not responsive. The controller does not have any idea if you are looking or will continue to look since you have a contact on TCAS. He doesn't know if you see the traffic at some point later or not. That response is a waste of a transmission. It communicates nothing of use to anyone. You are not going to maneuver based on what you see on the TCAS. As far as I am concerned, if the TCAS isn't yelling at me, it may as well not be there. Works in the background like EGPWS. If a controller issued "terrain alert, check your altitude", would you respond, "got it on the gipwiz" ?
 
Jim123

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wink said:
My personal beef, when issued traffic the responding pilot answers " no contact, but we got him on the fish finder". The controller does not care if you have an image on the TCAS. Legally, it does nothing for him or you.
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Yyyyeah, that one comes from the yokel supplement of the pilot-controller glossary.
 
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