Obviously nothing too good, but I wonder what would have happened with an attempted takeoff.
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The SHOW: Airlines still a "good gig"??
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Obviously nothing too good, but I wonder what would have happened with an attempted takeoff.
There is a bridge in DC that can tell you “rest of the story.”
Yeah, with that wing in HAL’s pix, I wonder if they could even rotate and get airborne.
I don’t have the knowledges on anything that size, but I wonder what you happen if they got just enough lift and the the snow slipped off one wind and not the other? Would you compensate with splitting engine power or trying to force the lighter wing back to level?
That was SOP for us when I was still flying. Walk the isle looking out the windows and open the rear entry doors to check the tail. If it was dark, you took your flashlight to check the tail.
For you youngsters, Air Florida flight 90. However it was engine ice not wing ice that did them in.
After that crash the joke going around was
"Ladies and Gentlemen this is the Captain. The bad news is that we're going to have to stop for ice. The good news is that the drinks are on the house..."
Ryan 590 was another one where the aerodynamics might make a decent comparison. Cargo DC-9 with ice on top of the wings, barely made it off the ground but couldn't fly. There are some technical differences, its ice was inflight icing from the prior leg and it was very thin (although a pile of snow can always hide a thin layer of ice and/or have a thin layer at the wing's surface thaw and refreeze), the crew didn't get the airplane deiced (didn't think they needed to because they didn't see the accumulation on top of the wings/didn't look for it either- night, fatigue), and the accident report gets into some esoteric stuff about slatless airfoils (all but the smallest, oldest regional jets and business jets have slats nowadays).
It's hard to say exactly what would have happened, not without physically climbing on top of that wing in the picture and clearing it off down to the paint, soon after the picture was taken, to see everything. Exactly what though, it would have been bad.
When you know all the rules, regulations, and procedures, it's simply amazing that the guy in the truck holding the sprayer would be this grossly negligent. Or maybe he or she is just that stupid and it's a supervisory issue. It's sorta like if you were a tire jockey on your first day and in the interview it should have come out that you'd never picked up a wrench in your life- and the boss says go put that wheel back on that car but provides zero training, supervision, or watches what you're doing and turns the keys over to the customer.
It's hard to say exactly what would have happened, not without physically climbing on top of that wing in the picture and clearing it off down to the paint, soon after the picture was taken, to see everything. Exactly what though, it would have been bad.
When you know all the rules, regulations, and procedures, it's simply amazing that the guy in the truck holding the sprayer would be this grossly negligent. Or maybe he or she is just that stupid and it's a supervisory issue. It's sorta like if you were a tire jockey on your first day and in the interview it should have come out that you'd never picked up a wrench in your life- and the boss says go put that wheel back on that car but provides zero training, supervision, or watches what you're doing and turns the keys over to the customer.
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GroundPounder
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Got this from a friend, seems too good to be true
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When I was there (HTs at least), I thought there was a specific exception in the FTI for the TRACON area... I was fine with my students who made a "simulated" call and told me they knew that rule.
That exception is also actually written in the AIM. it’s something to the effect of “with the exception of military aircraft in military training areas”. I can’t remember the specific wording.
Yup. I remember this now.
The chief of the 1980s wouldn’t lie...it’s gotta be true.Got this from a friend, seems too good to be true
Man, I dig that song...all the way back to 1987 while an SNA in VT-2 and HT-8...trying to hook up with Susie Rotten Crotch in Milton, Pace or Pensacola.
Good to know! I guess I'll have to look it up so I can no longer tell students "don't disregard the FTI/FAR/AIMs, but" and can instead tell them "Regard your AIM"