Typhoon

[Gatordev]

What's even more interesting to me is the alpha of that jet, hanging out back there. In the 5th picture, he looks like he's a good 25 degrees nose up or so. May just be an illusion created by the camera angle though.

I'm not an aero major, but I believe that's one of the advantages of the canard design. Kind of reminds me of a picture that was hanging in the halls of the academic building when I was in flight school. It had a F-18 and T-34 flying form together. The Hornet's nose was pointed to the sky and the T-34's nose was pointed toward the deck. I always found that picture amusing.

 

[SlickAg]

It had a F-18 and T-34 flying form together. The Hornet's nose was pointed to the sky and the T-34's nose was pointed toward the deck.

When we checked in we were told that a T-34 was doing an airborne landing gear extension on a cross country 18. Something happened, T-34 crashed, no dissimilar forms for the T-34 after that.

Anyone recall what the exact cause was?

 

[MasterBates]

No posting of Mishap Board Results in public forums. Talk to your squadron ASO, he can show you a copy of the SIR if you really want to see it.

But FOUO, and not for public consumption.

 

[Gatordev]

When we checked in we were told that a T-34 was doing an airborne landing gear extension on a cross country 18. Something happened, T-34 crashed, no dissimilar forms for the T-34 after that.

Anyone recall what the exact cause was?

That's a pretty over-simplification from the version I heard long ago. In the interest of general training (and not specific to that particular incident), yes, there is a "no dissimilar aircraft forms" on the books because aerodynamically, two different airplanes do two different things. A bigger airplane might move more air or cause more turbulence than the smaller one, and therefore cause issues. If this results in OCF at low altitude or the two planes smacking, it's obviously a bad thing.

 

[Intruder Driver]

The four forces acting on an airplane in flight, coming right up:

1. FARs
2. 3710
3. NATOPS
4. SOPs

Let's not forget the fifth force acting on an airplane in flight: The Night Prior Effects, often confused with the symptoms of a hangover and other nocturnal adventures.

 

[scoober78]

yes, there is a "no dissimilar aircraft forms" on the books because aerodynamically, two different airplanes do two different things.

Is that in everyone's NATOPS or just the T-34C's?

 

[Brett327]

Is that in everyone's NATOPS or just the T-34C's?

You'll fly dissimilar in the fleet all the time, at least in TACAIR. I've even flown form with a P-3.

Brett

 

[MasterBates]

Does a 60B and 60H count as dissimilar?

 

[Gatordev]

Is that in everyone's NATOPS or just the T-34C's?

It's just a T-34 specific thing due to the aforementioned mishap years ago. It can be a normal thing in the helo community, as well. Ironically enough, I almost had the opportunity to fly as a "section" w/ a T-34 while in the -60. Well, not quite, but it didn't matter anyway, because the WTIs didn't want to play that day.

 

[mules83]

The worst is when a piper cub and s2b are flying in formation. The pitts is hanging on the prop while the cub is diving at max a/s. It's a funny site to see.

 

[mules83]

^ I love it when sea stories become " *snort*when I was at Embry Riddle" A la "this one time at band camp"

HEY!! come on now, thats not nice. That flying had nothing to with riddle anyways.

 

[TheBubba]

It's just a T-34 specific thing due to the aforementioned mishap years ago.

We had the "no dissimilar forms" restriction in T-1 and T-6 land. Not NATOPS (that I remember), but wing/squadron SOP. Although in the T-6, you could in order to help diagnose configuration or gear issues.

I'd probably gander that the T-6 SOP restriction stems from the T-34 mishap. With the T-1, I think it was more USAF anal-retentiveness.

 

[mules83]

NICE? This is Naval aviation...grow some nuts....or at least thicker skin!

HA once again. trust me...i have grown a lot of thick skin around this place. Im lucky to get through a day without a riddle pee diddle joke.

 

[Gatordev]

I'd probably gander that the T-6 SOP restriction stems from the T-34 mishap. With the T-1, I think it was more USAF anal-retentiveness.

I'd buy that. Or just general training command restrictiveness.

 

[TheBubba]

Yah... it blows at times... but that's when you thank the scheduling gods that you flew certain events BEFORE the monthly stan and safety meetings.