boobooaboo
PA-28
Ouch…jinx.
Enjoy Japan.
Joke's on you, we love Japan and would happily live there
Where is the base to which you are referring?
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Joke's on you, we love Japan and would happily live there
Where is the base to which you are referring?
boobooaboo
PA-28
First; thank you. I do believe at this point that they are calling me (to paraphrase Muir). I have looked into the Air Force, I hear a lot more salty grumblings about USAF v Navy. Maybe I just haven't seen the Navy grumblings. Another big plus (besides the water and potential carrier landings) is that they give pilot contracts before signing up. Granted, you still must pass the flight physical AFTER going to OCS, but I don't see that as an issue for me (all though if you have additional info, that would be great. I assume it's similar to my class three med for my student license).
If married, the benefits of moving around with the Navy actually attract us, and the prospect of being gone is fine with both of us. We both enjoy our alone time - it's a big reason we are both FA's currently. With her job, it's basically possible to live anywhere and continue to work. I say possible, but a T-Pac commute would get old quick.
Serving, travel, adventure and challenges are important to us - US Navy has all of that, plus you have all the benefits that come with the Military. I used to see myself as an airline pilot, but I honestly don't know if I could sit up there running radios and auto-pilot for 35 years (with the occasional emergency or mishap). It's also a recession-proof stable "industry", unlike the incredibly volatile civil aviation side.
And just when I thought your posts were good, this one ruined it haha!
So... first of all, I think the Air Force is a very professional organization and if you are more concerned with flying than "officership," it's probably the way to go. My next tour will almost certainly be one that's not flying - in fact - it will probably be on a ship and that is built into my career timeline - it's not something that most pilots get to avoid. The Air Force doesn't really have anything like that for a pilot at the same rank / experience level.
The flight physical is significantly more intense than your class 3 medical, but it's been a while since I've gotten a class 3 up chit, but I remember it being a joke compared to Navy flight physicals.
While "recession" proof - being a pilot in the Navy is certainly not one that's a guaranteed 20 years with a pension. I know several guys who have effectively been laid off; I too am concerned with that and I think that just a year or two ago, most people thought I was on a pretty successful path, but timing and competition can definitely end a Naval career - I do not say this lightly.
boobooaboo
PA-28
Well I wouldn't be me without sticking my foot in my mouth a bit
Insert excuse here: I've not been at this long and I have virtually zero military knowledge except what I've gleaned from folks like you (and recruiters). If you can expand upon the flight physical at your leisure I would be very appreciative.
I didn't intend to knock the Air Force, I'm only sharing what I've learned in my research. Not sure yet if I'm more concerned with flying or officership - I dig flying but I also dig leading. Both are very important to me. This is the first I've heard of such negatives regarding the Navy - sounds like I have more digging to do. Sounds like you might be having a rough go of things right now, if that's the case I hope things turn around for you.
Well I wouldn't be me without sticking my foot in my mouth a bit
If you can expand upon the flight physical at your leisure I would be very appreciative.
I didn't intend to knock the Air Force, I'm only sharing what I've learned in my research. Not sure yet if I'm more concerned with flying or officership - I dig flying but I also dig leading. Both are very important to me. This is the first I've heard of such negatives regarding the Navy - sounds like I have more digging to do. Sounds like you might be having a rough go of things right now, if that's the case I hope things turn around for you.
Hey, no worries. You're a good new poster asking good questions and your spirit is in the right spot.
The flight physical? Well, I can't remember the class 3, but basically I remember an eye test, a review of my medical history, and maybe a few other things, but the initial screening in Pensacola seemed to be much more in depth - variety of eye tests, anthro measurements, etc., that wasn't covered in a class 3. I also think there was an EKG...
And no worries, it's clear you weren't bashing the Air Force, I was just saying - they are a very professional organization when it comes to flying.
There are plenty of "grumblings" on the Navy side too, we have just been a little slower to go full retard than the Air Force. They have their own problems that are unique to them and their "culture", but the grass isn't necessarily greener on our side in terms of the big picture.
No offense to you, but with a FA background, the possibilities for a call sign are limitless……...
No offense to you, but with a FA background, the possibilities for a call sign are limitless……...
Max the Mad Russian
Hands off Ukraine! Feet too
Rrrrrright, as good as it gets. If I'd been asked to express the ethos of Russian Air Force it wouldn't be better than that. Flier first, leader second, up to LtCol and even higher. Evidently, Air Force in every country is the same essentially...
boobooaboo
PA-28
A straight male FA at that. Bring on the stereotypes re: call signs! A sign of love some say...I swam in college so ball-busting is familiar and welcome. At least my CRM skills are solid. Today was a another crazy day in the nutbouse flying LAS DTW RSW. Used to dealing with stupid.
Max the Mad Russian
Hands off Ukraine! Feet too
"Sir, I'm not gonna endure all this paperwork, I just want to fly jets and nothing more" kind of asking that is usually falls on deaf ears everywhere in military world, could find a satisfactory answer in Air Force at least sometimes, as I have been told. That first Earth's spaceman, Yury Gagarin, a fighter pilot of Northern Fleet NavAir and 1st Lt at the moment of his space mission (108 minutes around the globe made him Major), with all due respect to his achievement was, in the memoirs of his counterparts, very reluctant to make any admin jobs, either pretending to be "stupid as a wooden pile but extremely good physically, an ideal combination to be the military pilot" or just he really was right that. Yet he quite could make a good career in AF even without his space jump..
Max the Mad Russian
Hands off Ukraine! Feet too
No, a MiG-15UTI, a 2-seat trainer version of 15's. And what have been buried was not a body - just small parts, either. That is why the rumors are sometimes floating here that he was kidnapped by some Martians instead and lived with Elvis, Saint-Exupery and alike in luxury starship, this kind of shit Really, our Air Force is dominated by pilots, pilots and pilots, while navigators/WSOs who are banned from holding the command posts in squadrons and air regiments, sometimes refer to the pilot as just "taxi driver", who cares about three things and nothing more:
1. Number of takeoffs should be the same that number of landings;
2. Whatever you hunt in the air or bomb on the surface is just target, and if the human being is inside of that target, that's not your problem, it's his/her;
3. Salary should be paid on time and the more money you will claim, the more you'll get.
Of course, one cannot imagine a fighter squadron without inner competition (if you are not the best, you're the worst), but it usually ends somewhere in between the 1st Lt (two years from commissioning) and Capt (four) - from the Capt the average Russian fighter pilot is within that triangle noted above.
Really, our Air Force is dominated by pilots, pilots and pilots, while navigators/WSOs who are banned from holding the command posts in squadrons and air regiments, sometimes refer to the pilot as just "taxi driver", who cares about three things and nothing more:1. Number of takeoffs should be the same that number of landings;
2. Whatever you hunt in the air or bomb on the surface is just target, and if the human being is inside of that target, that's not your problem, it's his/her;
3. Salary should be paid on time and the more money you will claim, the more you'll get.
Of course, one cannot imagine a fighter squadron without inner competition (if you are not the best, you're the worst), but it usually ends somewhere in between the 1st Lt (two years from commissioning) and Capt (four) - from the Capt the average Russian fighter pilot is within that triangle noted above.
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The CRM FA/FA or FA/cockpit isn't really the same as the CRM within the cockpit.
boobooaboo
PA-28
That's possible. I'm working toward my PPL as well, my point is that I'm well-used to delivering and receiving clear and concise communication.
The most important part of "officership" is being proficient at employing your aircraft in a lethal manner.
It seems more and more like the word "flying" is an F word and "officership" a word thrown around by people who think ground jobs and non-flying related duties are more important than actually being competent in your platform.