Exactly.
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NEWS US involvement in Iran
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As I said earlier, this isn’t just NYT reporting on this. Can’t claim liberal media bias here.
Are you saying that we can't trust the people who said "Actually, tariffs are a tax cut"?
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you
I can not fathom how one could make this statement, especially without saying the same for liberals as well.
Power to the PEOPLE... Conservative values typically emphasize personal responsibility, limited government, traditional social structures, and free markets.
Power to the GOVERNMENT... Liberal values tend to focus on government action to social justice, and civil rights.
You lost me on this? Elaborate?
What a simplistic and low based discounting of another person's opinion. As always you have shown that you believe only YOUR opinion matters or the opinion of those who speak similar things. Have you ever engaged in an actual discussion, one that places opposing ideas and opinions into the light to be listened to, evaluated, and learned from? Or is it just that you discount anything other than your own beliefs. Or to paraphrase your own words, 'Brett's values are a facade to the acquisition of Brett's power."
Having lived through the past 10 years, that’s all just bullshit. The GOP today is the antithesis of every so called conservative value you listed.
My opinions are better than yours.
Good article from David Ignatius. He has a top notch rolodex.
Basically argues that (of course) Iran was working on making a bomb while they said they weren't making a bomb. Based on Israeli intel, which given the fact that their intel allowed them to wipe out the top Iranian scientists and generals, is probably pretty good.
Negotiators will confront this essential problem: Iran has been lying about its activities for more than 20 years. It said it wasn’t trying to make a bomb even as it allegedly gathered — and regathered — its top scientists to push toward weaponization. It claimed to be leveling with the International Atomic Energy Agency, but the IAEA concluded last month that it wasn’t.
...Iran crossed what Israelis considered a red line in this resumption of its weaponization effort over the past several years. Indeed, this renewed push to make a bomb — as opposed to just enriching the fuel for one — was probably the trigger for the devastating war that Israel began on June 13 and ended, at least temporarily, with Monday night’s ceasefire.
...The most urgent postwar challenge will be finding — and destroying — Iran’s stockpile of 400 kilograms of 60 percent enriched uranium, which could become fuel for a “dirty bomb” in weeks if it isn’t controlled...Israeli and American sources say they know where the 400 kilograms are located. We can only hope so. They need to find it — quick — and dispose of it safely. Otherwise, the fuse on the Iranian bomb is still lit.
Basically argues that (of course) Iran was working on making a bomb while they said they weren't making a bomb. Based on Israeli intel, which given the fact that their intel allowed them to wipe out the top Iranian scientists and generals, is probably pretty good.
Negotiators will confront this essential problem: Iran has been lying about its activities for more than 20 years. It said it wasn’t trying to make a bomb even as it allegedly gathered — and regathered — its top scientists to push toward weaponization. It claimed to be leveling with the International Atomic Energy Agency, but the IAEA concluded last month that it wasn’t.
...Iran crossed what Israelis considered a red line in this resumption of its weaponization effort over the past several years. Indeed, this renewed push to make a bomb — as opposed to just enriching the fuel for one — was probably the trigger for the devastating war that Israel began on June 13 and ended, at least temporarily, with Monday night’s ceasefire.
...The most urgent postwar challenge will be finding — and destroying — Iran’s stockpile of 400 kilograms of 60 percent enriched uranium, which could become fuel for a “dirty bomb” in weeks if it isn’t controlled...Israeli and American sources say they know where the 400 kilograms are located. We can only hope so. They need to find it — quick — and dispose of it safely. Otherwise, the fuse on the Iranian bomb is still lit.
Well, then there it is, I guess we all can just wait for Lord Bretts next profound statement of fact.
Wait, we have to wait for the results? We won't get instant gratification? Then this whole bomb-a-thon was a total waste. I want it now!
Perhaps you can point to aspects of the Trump admin where conservative values are best exemplified. This should be entertaining.Well, then there it is, I guess we all can just wait for Lord Bretts next profound statement of fact.
I agree with those who said that even if the bombs don't work, we should still try. D-Day was about a 50/50 chance of succeeding but had to be done. Also we gain real world data about the bombs' actual capabilities against such a target, which is always good. As long as that regime exists, it will always continue to seek a bomb and build terrorist proxies so the only way to fully end the problem for good would be regime change. Otherwise, it is just about setting them back for a time, whether that be months or years.
As for politics, regarding conservatism and the GOP, remember the GOP does not necessarily adhere to conservatism. It often has been a big government party. Same with a lot of its Christian base. The Christian base and Christianity are not per se the same. The way the base has been over the years, a major obsession of theirs has been homosexuality. You'd think homosexuality was number one in the Ten Commandments and mentioned everywhere in the Bible. Yet, other sins are mentioned far more. Jesus talked about adultery as a sin and it is one of the Ten Commandments, but homosexuality is mentioned far less. Yet, if as a conservative politician it came out you were gay (especially as a man), then that's it. You're done. Whereas if it came out you cheated on your wife, you can make a recovery from that.
That said though, pretty much the only things the GOP seems to restrict are abortion and LGBTQ. On the other hand, the political Left has (d)evolved into a type of fascist party in which other than an unlimited right to abortion and an extremist take on LGBTQ rights, it is all about central control. Everything you can say, do, eat, drink, drive, whether you can own guns, how much money you can make, etc...there is no limit to what they seek to control. Environmentalism and LGBTQ have become a form of secular religion to them. Any questioning of the orthodoxy gets one deemed a fascist/Nazi/hater and they will seek to destroy you. The college campuses, with their campus speech codes, safe spaces, TRIGGER WARNING!'s, lack of due process, etc...are a good example of such fascism.
Thus far the Left have argued that the government can ban political speech (in the name of "campaign finance law"), can ban guns, can mandate you purchase something , can mandate you take a vaccine (by executive diktat), and that a government agency consisting of unelected (and likely ideologically driven) bureaucrats can be given carte blanche to just regulate and micromanage the economy as they see fit.
A great irony is for all the accusations made of Trump and MAGA supposedly being fascists, a primary reason many voted Trump/MAGA is as a rebellion against the fascism of the political-media-Big Business establishment. MAGA itself is not explicitly conservative, and can be quite liberal in certain ways. It combines aspects of the two.
As for politics, regarding conservatism and the GOP, remember the GOP does not necessarily adhere to conservatism. It often has been a big government party. Same with a lot of its Christian base. The Christian base and Christianity are not per se the same. The way the base has been over the years, a major obsession of theirs has been homosexuality. You'd think homosexuality was number one in the Ten Commandments and mentioned everywhere in the Bible. Yet, other sins are mentioned far more. Jesus talked about adultery as a sin and it is one of the Ten Commandments, but homosexuality is mentioned far less. Yet, if as a conservative politician it came out you were gay (especially as a man), then that's it. You're done. Whereas if it came out you cheated on your wife, you can make a recovery from that.
That said though, pretty much the only things the GOP seems to restrict are abortion and LGBTQ. On the other hand, the political Left has (d)evolved into a type of fascist party in which other than an unlimited right to abortion and an extremist take on LGBTQ rights, it is all about central control. Everything you can say, do, eat, drink, drive, whether you can own guns, how much money you can make, etc...there is no limit to what they seek to control. Environmentalism and LGBTQ have become a form of secular religion to them. Any questioning of the orthodoxy gets one deemed a fascist/Nazi/hater and they will seek to destroy you. The college campuses, with their campus speech codes, safe spaces, TRIGGER WARNING!'s, lack of due process, etc...are a good example of such fascism.
Thus far the Left have argued that the government can ban political speech (in the name of "campaign finance law"), can ban guns, can mandate you purchase something , can mandate you take a vaccine (by executive diktat), and that a government agency consisting of unelected (and likely ideologically driven) bureaucrats can be given carte blanche to just regulate and micromanage the economy as they see fit.
A great irony is for all the accusations made of Trump and MAGA supposedly being fascists, a primary reason many voted Trump/MAGA is as a rebellion against the fascism of the political-media-Big Business establishment. MAGA itself is not explicitly conservative, and can be quite liberal in certain ways. It combines aspects of the two.