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The end of NATO?

Brett327

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I am a male and a former (quite successful) coach of a women's college sport, so take this with a grain of salt but: I think biological males in women's sports is, for all intents and purposes, a red herring. There are about 500,000 student-athletes (a moniker I abhor) and about 10 of them are estimated to be trans. While it is an issue that deserves a solution, it is nowhere near the most pressing issue in college sports.
Yes, I know that it is extremely rare, but as a political wedge and right wing talking point, it is extremely powerful. Another way to look at it is the left has, thus far ceded a significant amount of political capital on this issue that only affects a handful of individuals. Its not smart risk calculus, which is why the issue should be dropped by the Dems.
 

number9

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Yes, I know that it is extremely rare, but as a political wedge and right wing talking point, it is extremely powerful. Another way to look at it is the left has, thus far ceded a significant amount of political capital on this issue that only affects a handful of individuals. Its not smart risk calculus, which is why the issue should be dropped by the Dems.
If that's what you were trying to say, then I a) misinterpreted your earlier post and b) agree completely with you.

One of my my representatives, Seth Moulton (D-Mass., and former Marine infantry officer), pretty much tried making the same point you are now and he got pilloried for it.
 

Faded Float Coat

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The interesting turns and weaves this thread has taken... I'll just add this: from the perspective of someone who is closely involved with public school district oversight and governance in a very blue state... it's not nearly as few athletes as some would like you to believe. It is, of course, not tens of thousands, or even hundreds - but it's also not a near zero number.

With that said, I agree with @Brett327's assessment of the own-goal Team Blue has turned the issue into.
 

Spekkio

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Yes, I know that it is extremely rare, but as a political wedge and right wing talking point, it is extremely powerful. Another way to look at it is the left has, thus far ceded a significant amount of political capital on this issue that only affects a handful of individuals. Its not smart risk calculus, which is why the issue should be dropped by the Dems.
Part of the problem is that the MSM gets wind of schools banning biological males from girls sports and makes it into civil rights outrage porn, which particularly angers the Democrat progressive base.

The politicians were merely responding to their constituents' call to action to be advocates of civil rights.
 

Brett327

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Part of the problem is that the MSM gets wind of schools banning biological males from girls sports and makes it into civil rights outrage porn, which particularly angers the Democrat progressive base.

The politicians were merely responding to their constituents' call to action to be advocates of civil rights.
In truth, I think it particularly angers the fringe left, and the progressive base is just along for the ride and doesn’t want to be painted in a negative light.
 

ea6bflyr

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Yes, I know that it is extremely rare, but as a political wedge and right wing talking point, it is extremely powerful. Another way to look at it is the left has, thus far ceded a significant amount of political capital on this issue that only affects a handful of individuals. Its not smart risk calculus, which is why the issue should be dropped by the Dems.
Yeah, but the right is also talking about "Transgender Mice" research because they like echoing what the POTUS foolishly says....when the research was really about Transgenic mice and has nothing to do with gender.
 

taxi1

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own-goal Team Blue
Yeah, stupid hill to die on. If a natural born woman had used testosterone therapy for 16 -18 years, that’d not be fair either (hello, East German women’s swim team).

I worked with LCDR Morgan on projects critical to aircrew survival gear. Knowledgeable, committed, professional, courageous. A loss.


 

Spekkio

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In truth, I think it particularly angers the fringe left, and the progressive base is just along for the ride and doesn’t want to be painted in a negative light.
I think it runs deeper than that.

The Democrats were slow to come around to gay / lesbian rights. Clinton institutes don't ask / don't tell and signs DOMA into law. Bush largely ignores the issue (and the military starts to follow suit), then Obama runs a campaign where he states he won't touch DOMA. A year or so after taking office, he reverses course and the Democrats suddenly become the champions of LGBQ.

There are many on the Democrat side of the spectrum that feel a bit of guilt that it took until 2009-2012 to support gay rights. And even in Hollywood, which is notoriously progressive / Democrat, you had lines in the 21st century like "paging doctor faggot" (The Hangover) and "you know how I know that you're gay" (40 year old Virgin).

In the early 2010s, "SJWs" start to gain steam using social media as a soap box. Gay jokes disappeared.

Fast forward to today, and transgendered people are lumped in with LGBQ - not because Democrats made it this way, but because of natural social undertones. Ergo, Democrats perceived that anyone sympathetic to gay rights (which, by the way, is ~70% of the population based on polls) is also sympathetic to transgendered rights. Therein lies the critical error - equating a 17 year old 6'0" biological male who wants to play women's soccer with a same-sex couple that wants to get married to get the legal protections afforded to heterosexual couples.

The Democrats also have an issue that their political strategy thinks that every voter bloc will behave like black Americans. Pass a piece of landmark legislation and you get 90%+ of the vote forever. That assumption requires people to ignore a lot of social, cultural, and historical context... but I'd expect nothing less of a party who champions LBJ's legislation despite the fact that he used very racist language to reveal the fact that he had nefarious intentions to increase and consolidate power with it. Didn't quite work out; the Democrats held the Presidency for 4 years between 1969 and 1993... and some of the Republican victories were historic landslides. And I think Obama's fatherly tongue-lashing cost Harris the election... she does, too, since Obama was conspicuously absent from the list of people she thanked for helping her campaign.

Anyway...yes, I agree, this issue affects a very small minority of Americans. But the socio-political undertones explaining why Democrats tilted hard into transgendered rights is much deeper and more complex than that.
 
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BigRed389

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"Billion" with a 'B' people!


That’s still not a lot in the context of a $1T budget though nothing in there sounds too crazy. And if anything it says there isn’t exactly a whole lot of “waste” going on, though I’d argue there plenty of inefficiency.

I do agree the consulting cottage industry has gotten way fucking out of hand. When you have people with zero direct industry or other relevant experience being paid absurd rates to, in many cases, just show up and tell us what everybody already has been saying is wrong, that’s not helpful.

The DARPA IT thing is less clear. DARPA tends to only chase crazy hard stuff so it’s not clear what they were doing that was duplicative to DISA.

DEI and climate cuts aren’t at all surprising. Whether you agree or not, this Administration is putting a bulls eye on anything that has anything in it from the naughty word list.
 

sevenhelmet

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They’re blaming the trade war Trump started with China, but make no mistake, this can be traced back to origins with abrupt USAID cuts and contracts they broke with American farmers. I and others predicted this would be necessary.

How are those DOGE “savings” looking now?

 
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JTS11

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They’re blaming the trade war Trump started with China, but make no mistake, this can be traced back to origins with abrupt USAID cuts and contracts they broke with American farmers. I and others predicted this would be necessary.

How are those DOGE “savings” looking now?

Can you imagine speaking like this at a staff or DH meeting at the squadron level? Embarrassing.

 

CommodoreMid

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And that one is actually confirmed not just via random tweet. Agree, stupid. I agree with her personally but that’s on the list of shit you can’t say publicly as a mil officer.

But since whataboutism is your favorite game, are you saying you also agree that the space force LTCOL should have been relieved for going on a podcast and criticizing SECDEF Austin?
 

taxi1

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Can you imagine speaking like this at a staff or DH meeting at the squadron level? Embarrassing.
Embarassing^1000

It is just so.fucking.weird to hear that sort of talk.

that’s on the list of shit you can’t say publicly as a mil officer.
She is smart enough to know. I think she took one for the multi-national team she leads there, including people from two “allies” POTUS is threatening to subjugate; Canada and Denmark.

Trump has insisted the US needs control of Greenland for national and international security and has refused to rule out the use of force to secure it.

He is not ruling out the use of force against our NATO ally in order to take their land. What the actual fuck?
 
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