So water temp less than 70 means wearing wetsuits when flying over water? Sounds kinda rough. In San Diego (back in the 80's) it was 60 degrees.
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Another nail in the coffin of Old-School Naval Avaition..
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So water temp less than 70 means wearing wetsuits when flying over water? Sounds kinda rough. In San Diego (back in the 80's) it was 60 degrees.
If it starts getting colder than 50 water temp then you're talking drysuit time.
Welcome to doing SSC hops out of NASWI. Nothing like the drysuit in June.
MasterBates
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Sounds like BALTOPS. Drysuits in July. When the air temp is 89.
(or in my case, my 7mm SCUBA wetsuit, because they never were able to get me a drysuit that fit.
(or in my case, my 7mm SCUBA wetsuit, because they never were able to get me a drysuit that fit.
I've got plenty of hours in both wet suits and dry suits. Regs aside, it is a balance of risk. Warm day warm water, no need for additional for fashion.
FWIW – – back in the day we couldn't wear zoom bags off base. Of course nearly everyone pulled their bag down to their waist going through the gate as they went home. Everyone knew it, most all did it. No problems. (Except when Wing Adm. 'Field Day Fellows' had the conn.)
Guys didn't however wear their sweaty old bags in public places, except on very rare occasions. If you were caught and had a good excuse, no real problem. If you didn't, you were "in hack." I once stretched it.... picked up a commercial PSA flight from Oakland to San Diego in a bag with my G-suit and torso harness put in the overhead. It was wrong and I could be in trouble for that. But I had a reasonable excuse. Heavies were on board and didn't say anything to me. They knew the circumstance and cut me slack.
Back in the day, logic often trumped regs. Screw up the regs. but have reasonable logic on your side was good. Screw up without logic, suffer the consequences. We were a team. We all looked out for each other and disciplined our own when needed without major drama. Oh yeah.... we had a lot of fun too, while being the best warriors at what we were trained to do!
Guys didn't however wear their sweaty old bags in public places, except on very rare occasions. If you were caught and had a good excuse, no real problem. If you didn't, you were "in hack." I once stretched it.... picked up a commercial PSA flight from Oakland to San Diego in a bag with my G-suit and torso harness put in the overhead. It was wrong and I could be in trouble for that. But I had a reasonable excuse. Heavies were on board and didn't say anything to me. They knew the circumstance and cut me slack.
Back in the day, logic often trumped regs. Screw up the regs. but have reasonable logic on your side was good. Screw up without logic, suffer the consequences. We were a team. We all looked out for each other and disciplined our own when needed without major drama. Oh yeah.... we had a lot of fun too, while being the best warriors at what we were trained to do!
this... this is what we find lacking all too often today.
MasterBates
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Yes. Logic and common sense overriding trivial regs when it makes sense.
Oh, how I wish that was more common. Because it makes sense.
Oh, how I wish that was more common. Because it makes sense.
Honestly, the only reason to wear a flight suit off base is if you're on a cross-country or out-and-in. Why is this a big deal. If you really need to stop on the way home, have a pair of shorts and a t-shirt at the office.
Yes, I've jammed in and out of ATMs and occasionally a gas station before I ran dry, but if you're in one place long enough to get hassled, you've already exceeded the "brief and essential" stop rule, which, by the way doesn't exist in Marine land. I lived in Jacksonville, North Carolina, for 13 years without getting hassled once. If someone is getting hassled for wearing a bag, I have no sympathy. It's your own fault and you're doing it wrong.
Yes, I've jammed in and out of ATMs and occasionally a gas station before I ran dry, but if you're in one place long enough to get hassled, you've already exceeded the "brief and essential" stop rule, which, by the way doesn't exist in Marine land. I lived in Jacksonville, North Carolina, for 13 years without getting hassled once. If someone is getting hassled for wearing a bag, I have no sympathy. It's your own fault and you're doing it wrong.
Concur 100% with this crowd. It's not that hard to stuff a pair of shorts and some flip-flops in my backpack and go take care of business after work. Or I can go take care of business during lunch. I've done it hundreds of times and never been hassled once.
Reading what Cat said you see that he said that wearing the bag out in town was a rarity. Exceptions to the rule were made for logical, outside of the box cases. I don't think these included I needed to stop and buy a week's worth of groceries*
*If you need to buy groceries or gas, why not just stop on base? Bags are OK in the commissary.
What if you're the member of an alert aircrew picking up food/ supplies for the crew while operating out of a civilian airfield? I break the 'brief' part of the rule all the time, but it's always essential.
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