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Lonestar155 said:.....At the age of 15 i was perferming actual ACM manevuers.
Actual simulated maneuvers. I love it when a good oxymoron comes together.Lonestar155 said:If you have a computer get falcon 4.0! the guide is about 500 pages. At the age of 15 i was perferming actual ACM manevuers.
Lonestar155 said:If you have a computer get falcon 4.0! the guide is about 500 pages. At the age of 15 i was perferming actual ACM manevuers.
heyjoe said:Speaking of unusual weapons...there was a S-3 in Desert Storm that used a drop tank to take out a small fast moving boat. That's some tactical flying...pilot was already a legend before that...now he is a God...and certified liberty risk...they sent him to USNA for staff position and he was leading mids on crawl through town when I last saw him (as an 0-6)
xmid said:That pilot's name is Bruce Bole he was my neighbor when my father was stationed at USNA and later my CO at NAPS. It is pretty funny to hear him tell the story. Within hours of landing he was told he was going to captains mast, and then that he was being put in for an air medal. They actually found small arms rounds in the underside of his jet. Great guy.
Catmando said:Good summation.
Generally, as a rule of thumb in ACM, as the angle of attack (AOA) increases, it is necessary to use proportionately more rudder and less aileron. At very high AOA, the stick has to be completely neutral, laterally. Lateral stick movement at high AOA induces adverse yaw, if not a violent departure.
Therefore, at very high AOA, all maneuvering had to be done strictly with rudder.
Many experienced ACM pilots used to hold the stick centered, gripping it with both arms, so they couldn't accidentally move it laterally. AOA, speed and G were controlled with easy fore and aft stick, and all turns and maneuvers were done solely with hard rudder input.
It was indeed an art form. Few could do it adequately, and even fewer could teach it. It only came from a lot of practice, a good understanding of the aircraft's aerodynamics, and a certain amount of intelligent fortitude.
There was one interesting maneuver that a few expert F-4 pilots used to do (although it didn't work on other aircraft all that well) that defied all logic, but worked.
They would load up; say in a port turn – high G and high AOA – and wanted to reverse quickly to starboard. The normal way to do that would be hard right rudder to turn right. But they would intentionally use not right rudder, but full LEFT lateral stick to turn RIGHT. At high AOA, this caused the right wing to stall, and the aircraft would snap roll violently to the right with the left stick input.
It was a risky if not downright dangerous maneuver. But it was an absolutely awesome maneuver when done well. Few would try it, and even fewer could do it well. But it was a very valuable, if not the best maneuver in certain desperate life and death situations . . .. if it worked. (Warning: It didn't work in other aircraft for me, and please never try this at home - unless you have a strong desire to spin into the mud.)
Lonestar155 said:If you have a computer get falcon 4.0! the guide is about 500 pages. At the age of 15 i was perferming actual ACM manevuers.
Schnugg said:I flew with a pilot who used to fight the F-14 down to 0 knots. Actually would intentionally depart the aircraft with the knowledge it would depart in the direction he needed it to go. Then recover with a bunt and re-engage. Bogeys hated it as they figured they had the jet in tehir sights and it didn't happen. I flew one of these 1v1 ACM hops against a slick F/A-18 with him in an F-14D. What a fight. Definitely not something I'd teach an FRS student.
Pilot was a former Army Loach pilot from vietnam days, flew A-4s for the Blue Angels and really knew how to handle the jet. Callsign was "Pogo" for the old guys. He was also a scratch golfer. Heck of a guy.
heyjoe said:That would be Randy Clark who was quite a stick as you attest...last seen he was flying exIsraeli A-4s out of Arizona with ATSI. He was a Tailhook witch hunt hero. When they interviewed him and tried to make him sit at a table with two chairs on either side of him to bracket him, he picked up the chair and put the "bogies" on one side of his nose (like any good fighter pilot) turning the tables and making them uncomfortable. One of them said "you can't do that". He gave them a stone cold answer "I just did." Like the Indian in "The Outlaw Josey Wales" said to Clint Eastwood, "There is iron in your words...."
I believe he had been shot down more than once in Viet Nam and had a chest full of salad before he went through Tomcat RAG. Mucho respect for Pogo.
heyjoe said:The Tomcat community has Joe Satrapa....the S-3 community had Bruce
Watch your altitude;...(know whether a particular maneuver will cause to to bust a soft or hard deck before you execute same)
Anything out of ordinary or unexpected, Knock it off!
Don't bust your bubbles
Lost sight, call it (big sky, little airplane?...want to bet your life and/or career?)....