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CJCS responds to Rep. Gaetz

nodropinufaka

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You missed a sentence and then quoted some results out of context.
I didnt miss anything.

You asked why Indians are so successful.

I posted an academic paper explaining why they are compared to others.

Indians were skilled labor when they immigrated compared to unskilled labor like others. Making it much easier for them to become successful and have their children be successful.
 

SELRES_AMDO

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The culture that becoming a functioning, middle-class member of society is abandoning one's race to the point it deserves a minimum of being ostracized from the family and at maximum deadly violence from members of their own race is unique to black people.
Wow. The fact that someone from the Officer ranks would post this and then others support it is pretty pathetic.
 

PMPT

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And yet none of the other books mentioned are being suggested for servicemen

They should be, frankly. For as much as every body and their dog has an opinion on communism or socialism (or even socialism with chinese characteristics), I would wager that the vast majority of us have very little real understanding of the other existing sociopolitical paradigm that stands in opposition to (what can be loosely called) western liberalism.
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
I didnt miss anything.

You asked why Indians are so successful.

I posted an academic paper explaining why they are compared to others.

Indians were skilled labor when they immigrated compared to unskilled labor like others. Making it much easier for them to become successful and have their children be successful.
Yeah except the flaw of the paper you posted ended its analysis with the immigrants themselves.

What happens by the 1st gen? 2nd gen? 3rd gen?

Hey, here's another anecdote for you: my father-in-law immigrated to the UK in his 20s not speaking a lick of English and with the equivalent of 100 pounds in his pocket. Eventually immigrated to the U.S. Used his mechanic skills that he learned as a conscript in the Yom Kippur War tank maintainer to get a job fixing cars. Eventually got a job working for NYC utilities. He's now retired and has a pension that is just shy of 6 figures, an apartment in the upper East Side, and 3 kids with multiple grand children. Had to deal with racist stuff like the FBI questioning him about 9/11, but that still didn't deter him. Why? Because he was tattooed with a cross as a child, and if he had stayed inside his native country he would have been burned at a cross by now. He has a special sore spot for Obama's support of the Muslim Brotherhood. That's real oppression, not some idiot cop asking stupid questions.

By the way, he still can't read English.

The point isn't that it's easy. The point is that it can be done with hard work and personal accountability. Measure success by the generational gains made, not by comparison to established wealth.
 

nodropinufaka

Well-Known Member
Yeah except the flaw of the paper you posted ended its analysis with the immigrants themselves.

What happens by the 1st gen? 2nd gen? 3rd gen?

Hey, here's another anecdote for you: my father-in-law immigrated to the UK in his 20s not speaking a lick of English and with the equivalent of 100 pounds in his pocket. Eventually immigrated to the U.S. Used his mechanic skills that he learned as a conscript in the Yom Kippur War tank maintainer to get a job fixing cars. Eventually got a job working for NYC utilities. He's now retired and has a pension that is just shy of 6 figures, an apartment in the upper East Side, and 3 kids with multiple grand children. Had to deal with racist stuff like the FBI questioning him about 9/11, but that still didn't deter him. Why? Because he was tattooed with a cross as a child, and if he had stayed inside his native country he would have been burned at a cross by now. That's real oppression, not some idiot cop asking stupid questions.

By the way, he still can't read English.

The point isn't that it's easy. The point is that it can be done with hard work and personal accountability. Measure success by the generational gains made, not by comparison to established wealth.
Did you go read the twenty pages of academic research?
 

SELRES_AMDO

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Hey, here's another anecdote for you: my father-in-law immigrated to the UK in his 20s not speaking a lick of English and with the equivalent of 100 pounds in his pocket. Eventually immigrated to the U.S. Used his mechanic skills that he learned as a conscript in the Yom Kippur War tank maintainer to get a job fixing cars. Eventually got a job working for NYC utilities. He's now retired and has a pension that is just shy of 6 figures, an apartment in the upper East Side, and 3 kids with multiple grand children. Had to deal with racist stuff like the FBI questioning him about 9/11, but that still didn't deter him. Why? Because he was tattooed with a cross as a child, and if he had stayed inside his native country he would have been burned at a cross by now. He has a special sore spot for Obama's support of the Muslim Brotherhood. That's real oppression, not some idiot cop asking stupid questions.
So because your FIL is mildly successful that proves systematic oppression and racism doesn't exist?
 

Brett327

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I don't understand the culture of shouting racial slurs, beating, or killing people who aspire to be successful. I never will. White people never will, nor can they fix it. This is a cultural shift that will have to come from within.
No, you're right. White athletes would never pick on the smart white guy, or bully the "nerd" in class, or otherwise assault them at school. That's a uniquely black phenomenon.
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
So because your FIL is mildly successful that proves systematic oppression and racism doesn't exist?
I don't think he would define himself as 'mildly successful.' He has more wealth than he could have ever imagined having growing up in Egypt.

I think this is a good lesson on perspective - he was drafted into a war he didn't want to fight and saw close friends die.... he faced violent religious persecution and fled the country with the clothes on his back - as did his brothers and sisters. They were able to carve out a middle class lifestyle from nothing in the U.S. Some had a harder path than others - his brother worked as a translator and missed most of my nephews' lives, but it paid off a house and put them through college. They all make 6 figures now. Some of his other family members became business owners, others nurses, etc. None are poor or living on government subsistence.

I think if you were to tell him that he had more advantages to achieve success than a black person growing up in Alabama, he would disagree.

What you now call 'systemic racism and oppression' is just white-knighting hyperbole.

Everyone has a story.
 
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SELRES_AMDO

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That doesn't answer my question.

Does that prove systemic racism and oppression doesn't exist?

Actually, let me rephrase. Will people here at least acknowledge systemic racism and oppression still exists in some form in a lot of society?
 

Treetop Flyer

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That doesn't answer my question.

Does that prove systemic racism and oppression doesn't exist?

Actually, let me rephrase. Will people here at least acknowledge systemic racism and oppression still exists in some form in a lot of society?
Examples of systemic racism or oppression?
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
No, you're right. White athletes would never pick on the smart white guy, or bully the "nerd" in class, or otherwise assault them at school. That's a uniquely black phenomenon.
Nice straw man. How many white kids are called racial slurs for getting good grades?
 

nodropinufaka

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