DoD hiring freeze

[WhiskeySierra6]

Do you mean base housing? I thought base lodging (as in hotel) was already privatized. Or, maybe it is just army managed joint facilities?

No. The base housing here was privatized a long time ago. The on base lodging for the whole base (USAF, Army, and Navy) is run by Air Force Services Center.

 

[Brett327]

Do you mean base housing? I thought base lodging (as in hotel) was already privatized. Or, maybe it is just army managed joint facilities?

Other way around. Base housing has been in a PPV model for about 15 years on the Navy side, there has been talk of doing same with NGIS/transient lodging for a few years. I think some places have PPV for UA housing (BEQ).

 

[Spekkio]

Fair enough.

As a stick-monkey and non-finance guy, I've always had trouble wrapping my head around how privatizing services from USG to for-profit industry makes them cheaper, but it's happened enough that I guess the math works somehow.

It keeps retention and manning goals strictly tied to operational military needs. Of course, flip side is the 'good deal' shore duties go away.

And also, the continuity of having someone maintain a building or program full-time as their job generally results in better quality of service and results than a random service-member working out of rate / MOS who rotates every 2-3 years.

 

[taxi1]

random service-member working out of rate

I went on a cross country to Fairchild Air Force Base for an airshow, staying overnight at Malmstrom Air Force Base on the way. We landed late and went right into town for drinking and carousing, and showed up at the BOQ at about 2 AM. The young enlisted lad behind the counter had a name tag that said Airman Best. I mentioned that I knew an Admiral Best in the US Navy.

“That’s my dad.”
“ So why did you join the Air Force?”
“ To piss him off.”
“ OK, so what are you doing working at the BOQ at 2 the morning?”
“ I pissed some other people off too.”

 

[Lawman]

No. The base housing here was privatized a long time ago. The on base lodging for the whole base (USAF, Army, and Navy) is run by Air Force Services Center.

Every major (ie a Division or better lives there) Army post I’ve been stationed at has handled barracks management in different ways.

A lot of it seems to be based off unit footprints.

If you’re installation has brigades in one big basket, they attempt to give that brigade direct management, but that leads to some brigades having open empty spaces that are underutilized while others are doubling up rooms because of room space. And they’ll own the chow hall that’s there in the footprint and the gate nearest to them.

The ones where those kind of footprints aren’t available and they go central management of housing you get conflicts with units being collocated that have very different schedules and requirements so you are efficiently using room spaces but you’ve got some kid from DIVArty all the way across post from where he has to be for PT and work because the rooms near by have guys from an ABCT with the same problem.

 

[CommodoreMid]

It keeps retention and manning goals strictly tied to operational military needs. Of course, flip side is the 'good deal' shore duties go away.

And also, the continuity of having someone maintain a building or program full-time as their job generally results in better quality of service and results than a random service-member working out of rate / MOS who rotates every 2-3 years.

The good deal shore duties are rarer in aviation compared to the other URL communities due to the need to fill production. Granted, we aviators generally desire those tours since we get to keep flying, but you’re still doing nights/weekends compared to the SWO who gets incentives to go do ROTC.

 

[Brett327]

It keeps retention and manning goals strictly tied to operational military needs. Of course, flip side is the 'good deal' shore duties go away.

And also, the continuity of having someone maintain a building or program full-time as their job generally results in better quality of service and results than a random service-member working out of rate / MOS who rotates every 2-3 years.

What a bizarre misunderstanding of how anything works. Truly astonishing.

 

[Spekkio]

The good deal shore duties are rarer in aviation compared to the other URL communities due to the need to fill production. Granted, we aviators generally desire those tours since we get to keep flying, but you’re still doing nights/weekends compared to the SWO who gets incentives to go do ROTC.

You all eat each other more than SWOs if you want to commit to making the Navy a career. External observer opinion.

 

[Spekkio]

What a bizarre misunderstanding of how anything works. Truly astonishing.

Right... because making ETV1 Smith in charge of the barracks is going to get him promoted (sarcasm) when we could just hire a civilian to do it and send ETV1 Smith to teach navigation to ETVSNs.

(as an example).

 

[MIDNJAC]

Right... because making ETV1 Smith in charge of the barracks is going to get him promoted (sarcasm) when we could just hire a civilian to do it and send ETV1 Smith to teach navigation to ETVSNs.

(as an example).

I feel like knowing what an ETV rate is, directly correlates to having a horrible job in the navy. Sorry

 

[hscs]

You all eat each other more than SWOs if you want to commit to making the Navy a career. External observer opinion.

Then why are you always lurking in a Naval Aviation site?