No. The base housing here was privatized a long time ago. The on base lodging for the whole base (USAF, Army, and Navy) is run by Air Force Services Center.
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Other way around. Base housing has been in a PPV model for about 15 years on the Navy side, there has been talk of doing same with NGIS/transient lodging for a few years. I think some places have PPV for UA housing (BEQ).
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
It keeps retention and manning goals strictly tied to operational military needs. Of course, flip side is the 'good deal' shore duties go away.
And also, the continuity of having someone maintain a building or program full-time as their job generally results in better quality of service and results than a random service-member working out of rate / MOS who rotates every 2-3 years.
I went on a cross country to Fairchild Air Force Base for an airshow, staying overnight at Malmstrom Air Force Base on the way. We landed late and went right into town for drinking and carousing, and showed up at the BOQ at about 2 AM. The young enlisted lad behind the counter had a name tag that said Airman Best. I mentioned that I knew an Admiral Best in the US Navy.
“That’s my dad.”
“ So why did you join the Air Force?”
“ To piss him off.”
“ OK, so what are you doing working at the BOQ at 2 the morning?”
“ I pissed some other people off too.”
Every major (ie a Division or better lives there) Army post I’ve been stationed at has handled barracks management in different ways.
A lot of it seems to be based off unit footprints.
If you’re installation has brigades in one big basket, they attempt to give that brigade direct management, but that leads to some brigades having open empty spaces that are underutilized while others are doubling up rooms because of room space. And they’ll own the chow hall that’s there in the footprint and the gate nearest to them.
The ones where those kind of footprints aren’t available and they go central management of housing you get conflicts with units being collocated that have very different schedules and requirements so you are efficiently using room spaces but you’ve got some kid from DIVArty all the way across post from where he has to be for PT and work because the rooms near by have guys from an ABCT with the same problem.
The good deal shore duties are rarer in aviation compared to the other URL communities due to the need to fill production. Granted, we aviators generally desire those tours since we get to keep flying, but you’re still doing nights/weekends compared to the SWO who gets incentives to go do ROTC.
What a bizarre misunderstanding of how anything works. Truly astonishing.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
You all eat each other more than SWOs if you want to commit to making the Navy a career. External observer opinion.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
Right... because making ETV1 Smith in charge of the barracks is going to get him promoted (sarcasm) when we could just hire a civilian to do it and send ETV1 Smith to teach navigation to ETVSNs.
(as an example).
I feel like knowing what an ETV rate is, directly correlates to having a horrible job in the navy. Sorry
Then why are you always lurking in a Naval Aviation site?
Without putting words into Brett’s mouth - He is pointing out (or insinuating) that recruiting service members, managing staffing goals, and sustaining base housing/barracks are 3 separate entities in most services. Some of which are managed at a very high level and some authorities are delegated to a lower level. In the Marines, MCRC, Manpower Management, and Installations command (under DC I&L) are all separate 2 Star commands with distinct budget lines.
The privatization of billeting and housing was likely a budget decision under installations command and didn’t include MM’s input on allocations or staffing goals. The notion of “good deal shore duties” for Seaman Timmy and LCpL Schmuckettli likely wasn’t a conversation that installations command would even consider when this budget decision came up. You have no idea what you’re talking about. That’s why people don’t take you seriously.
OBTW, this is the kind of stuff you’re steeped in as a senior officer, on a major staff, or as a major commander. Case in point, I didn’t know the detailed budgetary background that drove the Navy to go the PPV route until it was discussed at a major commanders conference by the CNIC 3 Star.
I'm still trying to figure out what good deal shore duties @Spekkio thinks young Sailors, Marines, or aviators are performing vis-a-vis barracks, commissaries, and other facility-like things.
There are few, if any, now. In the olden days (ca 1981) I came off a float and after finishing my leave I was assigned to base facilities where I ran the MCB Lejeune marina. It was nice. I wore a USMC polo shirt, shorts, and boat shoes. The work was never hard and I was treated well. I think it went about three or four months and then we rolled back into our training cycle. Some guys mowed lawns, some guys worked the scullery, and my buddy even got assigned to drive the 2 MarDiv commander around! But, those “good deal” things are pretty much over.