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Europe under extreme duress

Hair Warrior

Hair Warrior

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vxc961 said:
Snopes.com is your friend.
www.snopes.com

Did Fauci Fund ‘Gain of Function’ Research, Thereby Causing Pandemic?

Statements made by Fox News host Tucker Carlson furthered theories that a manipulated virus spilled over from a lab in Wuhan, China.
www.snopes.com www.snopes.com
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Snopes is not, in fact, a friend.

Under Fauci, NIH gave grants to EcoHealth Alliance. EcoHealth contracted with the Wuhan Inst of Virology to conduct gain of function research on bat coronaviruses. A bat coronavirus leaked from Wuhan and started a global pandemic. Fauci denied for years that the virus could be manmade, or that the NIH had any role in it. Fauci and other NIH officials admit they received royalties from pharma companies for patents on vaccines/medicines that Fauci was publicly promoting without disclosing his financial interest.

The money trail is clear now. The lies and obfuscation by Fauci made it hard to fully comprehend until more information was disclosed.
 
Flash

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Hair Warrior said:
“Bioweapon” is a loaded term.

That NPR article says, quote: “Both the U.S. and Ukraine have also signed a treaty vowing never to produce or use biological weapons.”

That’s great… but we know for a fact that the US funded bat coronavirus research at the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan, which developed via bioengineering from exogenous spike proteins a highly contagious novel coronavirus with no vaccine. The pretense for this research was to develop vaccines for coronaviruses. Which they didn’t develop until after the coronavirus outbreak.

So whether or not you call the Wuhan-developed coronavirus a bioweapon or not, that manmade virus certainly did a huge amount of harm across the globe. That fact, plus the lies and coverups by Fauci and EcoHealth, and the millions in patent royalties Fauci made from Big Pharma while holding a government office, have permanently harmed the trust of people in bioresearch institutions.
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I’m not getting in a COVID debate with you but your conflation of that with the completely unconnected US support to Ukrainian labs would make Stretch Armstrong jealous, and you’re carrying water for blatantly false Russian propaganda by doing so.
 
jmcquate

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Hair Warrior said:
One of the many pretenses for war that Russia claimed at the outset of its Ukraine invasion was that Ukraine-based biolabs were working on dual use bioweapon research using US funding. Who knows if it’s true but after the Wuhan institute of virology was proven to have received millions in NIH funding via EcoHealth Alliance for coronavirus research in bats - after repeated denials and lies from Fauci and others - it would not surprise me at all.

www.bbc.com

Ukraine war: Fact-checking Russia's biological weapons claims

The BBC finds no evidence for Russian claims that Ukraine is developing biological weapons with US support.
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Look up the history of the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Program to learn the history of Soviet CBRN materials and facilities left in Ukraine after the fall of the Soviet Union.
 
vxc961

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Hair Warrior said:
Snopes is not, in fact, a friend.

Under Fauci, NIH gave grants to EcoHealth Alliance. EcoHealth contracted with the Wuhan Inst of Virology to conduct gain of function research on bat coronaviruses. A bat coronavirus leaked from Wuhan and started a global pandemic. Fauci denied for years that the virus could be manmade, or that the NIH had any role in it. Fauci and other NIH officials admit they received royalties from pharma companies for patents on vaccines/medicines that Fauci was publicly promoting without disclosing his financial interest.

The money trail is clear now. The lies and obfuscation by Fauci made it hard to fully comprehend until more information was disclosed.
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Sure. I’m shocked that I can’t get you to consider another narrative. Drain the swamp bruthah!
 
Hair Warrior

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Flash said:
I’m not getting in a COVID debate with you but your conflation of that with the completely unconnected US support to Ukrainian labs would make Stretch Armstrong jealous, and you’re carrying water for blatantly false Russian propaganda by doing so.
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No, I’m not. I’m explaining one of Russia’s pretenses for war. It’s part of understanding their perspective. The US media too often ignores inconvenient facts or dismisses them as “propaganda.” We have been down that road and it doesn’t do anyone any good.
 
taxi1

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You sound like you are suggesting Fauci purposely funded gain of function research so China could release a virus into the wild causing everyone to buy a vaccine he patented so he could get rich.
 
Hair Warrior

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taxi1 said:
You sound like you are suggesting Fauci purposely funded gain of function research so China could release a virus into the wild causing everyone to buy a vaccine he patented so he could get rich.
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Fauci was a big proponent of gain of function research. Fauci helped convince Trump to undo Obama’s ban on GoF research that Fauci knew to be risky (hence why Obama wisely banned it). Fauci knew NIH grants now funded GoF research, particularly via EcoHealth Alliance. Fauci knew Wuhan was a site where EcoHealth did coronavirus research. When the virus leaked, Fauci suspected that it more plausibly was of a lab origin and not from a bush meat market, yet Fauci did not disclose to the public that the lab leak theory was plausible. Fauci knew he would receive royalties from the sale of vaccines like the mRNA covid vaccines, yet Fauci did not disclose his financial interest until he was outed. Fauci knew the mRNA vaccines were not designed to stop the spread of the virus, yet Fauci told the public that vaccines would stop the spread, and he promoted vaccine enforcement. And throughout it all, Fauci lied multiple times under oath to Congress.

I don’t think Fauci orchestrated an intentional lab leak. That was more likely an accident. We’ll never know, though, because China disappeared the scientists, erased the data, and the WHO put EcoHealth Alliance in charge of the WHO’s investigation.
 
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vxc961

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Hair Warrior said:
Fauci was a big proponent of gain of function research. Fauci helped convince Trump to undo Obama’s ban on GoF research. Fauci knew NIH grants now funded GoF research, particularly via EcoHealth Alliance. Fauci knew Wuhan was a site where EcoHealth did coronavirus research. When the virus leaked, Fauci suspected that it more plausibly was of a lab origin and not from a bush meat market, yet Fauci did not disclose to the public that the lab leak theory was plausible. Fauci knew he would receive royalties from the sale of vaccines like the mRNA covid vaccines, yet Fauci did not disclose his financial interest until he was outed. Fauci knew the mRNA vaccines were not designed to stop the spread of the virus, yet Fauci told the public that vaccines would stop the spread, and he promoted vaccine endorcement. And throughout it all, Fauci lied multiple times under oath to Congress.

I don’t think Fauci orchestrated an intentional lab leak. That was more likely an accident. We’ll never know, though, because China disappeared the scientists, erased the data, and the WHO put EcoHealth Alliance in charge of the WHO’s investigation.
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Maybe you should start another thread on all these theories about Fauci?
 
MIDNJAC

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Hair Warrior said:
No, I’m not. I’m explaining one of Russia’s pretenses for war. It’s part of understanding their perspective. The US media too often ignores inconvenient facts or dismisses them as “propaganda.” We have been down that road and it doesn’t do anyone any good.
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Dude nobody needs to "understand their perspective". They are, and have been since long before either of us were alive, a mortal enemy of the United States. It is absurd to think they aren't trying to bring about our demise with literally every thing they do. The pretense for this war was to either incite a wider war with the West, which would be very convenient for them, or failing that, at least press-to-test that the US and NATO are unwilling to call their bluff. Must we really "understand the perspective" of a dictator who has frequently threatened us and our allies with nuclear conflict as a blackmail?
 
JTS11

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I know Wikipedia isn't an overall authoritative source, but this article does a good job of explaining how the 'bioweapons labs" Russian propaganda seeped into some US right-wing media (and who those characters are)

Ukraine bioweapons conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

You can't say I'm just explaining disinformation that RUS used as a pretense for invasion...then throw up your hands at the end, and say who knows?, bc you also believe in some dubious claims about Fauci...
 
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