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Europe under extreme duress

Hair Warrior

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In the 90s to early 2000s (post fall of USSR) birth rates plummeted.
It’s true. And Putin has been promoting sex parties to increase the birth rate.
Yeah, if I was a 24yo Ukrainian, I’m not sure how I could sleep at night working as a software engineer in Lviv while a bunch of 40yo conscripts are warming soup in a can on the front line.
Most of the men who could get jobs in Europe outside Ukraine (and didn’t want to fight) have already left the country.
 

JTS11

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Most of the men who could get jobs in Europe outside Ukraine (and didn’t want to fight) have already left the country.
Also, same/same for Russian draft avoidance. Probably a universal theme throughout history with respect to conscription.
 

Griz882

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Attached is an interesting article on the “Axis of Upheaval” that explores the critical question…are we already in World War III? H.R. McMaster uses a great term, “world wide war” A significant uptick of fighting in Syria, the continued (Russian and Chinese supported) Houthi attacks at sea, riots in Georgia, Russian ground gains in the Ukraine war, light-switch martial law in South Korea, and on and on. The work, and many of the embedded articles, make a series of great points and we should ask…”Are we ready?”

 

JTS11

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Attached is an interesting article on the “Axis of Upheaval” that explores the critical question…are we already in World War III? H.R. McMaster uses a great term, “world wide war” A significant uptick of fighting in Syria, the continued (Russian and Chinese supported) Houthi attacks at sea, riots in Georgia, Russian ground gains in the Ukraine war, light-switch martial law in South Korea, and on and on. The work, and many of the embedded articles, make a series of great points and we should ask…”Are we ready?”

Yeah, I'm curious what kind of alert Assad's pilot is sitting on in Damascus (with gas to reach Moscow) 😆. Seems like it's not going well for the Syrian regime. I honestly don't know who the characters are that would take over, if the regime fell. Once some of the things being reported happen, there can be a tipping point...then it happens fast.

I think I saw that Assad"s family is in Moscow, now. Not sure if that reporting is true, but would be interesting.

To your larger point, yeah I think we're in a low-grade world war btwn autocracy and liberal western democracy. My opinion is that RUS needs to be defeated in UKR to stop the spread.
 

HSMPBR

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To your larger point, yeah I think we're in a low-grade world war btwn autocracy and liberal western democracy. My opinion is that RUS needs to be defeated in UKR to stop the spread.
Add to that a huge (over?)correction from globalism to populism in those western democracies.
 

JTS11

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Add to that a huge (over?)correction from globalism to populism in those western democracies.
Yeah, I think you're right. I think we need politicians to be leaders and explain why this shit is important. Populism is easily manipulated from either end of the spectrum.

Our Romanian NATO ally is on the cusp of possibly electing a pro-Russian president this Sunday (hopefully not).. he was a political nobody that was basically boosted to the top by TikTok. Concerning to me.
 

Griz882

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To your larger point, yeah I think we're in a low-grade world war btwn autocracy and liberal western democracy. My opinion is that RUS needs to be defeated in UKR to stop the spread.
It is going to be hard to find a nation willing to offer soldiers to fight in the Ukraine War. While I understand the sentiment, “kicking Putin’s ass” isn’t going to be enough.

Add to that a huge (over?)correction from globalism to populism in those western democracies.
Great point. A simple fact, often overlooked by advocates of globalism, is that is was always going to drive down the lifestyle expectations of most Western nations. Combined with the soft jingoism of what it means to be an Englishman, Frenchman, or so on and the snap-back was bound to happen.
 

JTS11

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It is going to be hard to find a nation willing to offer soldiers to fight in the Ukraine War. While I understand the sentiment, “kicking Putin’s ass” isn’t going to be enough.
You may be correct, but pulling the plug on UKR would be a strategic mistake IMO. UKR are the defenders, and are fighting for their sovereignty. RUS economy is circling the drain. To take the foot off their neck right now would be bad. Obviously, RUS has manpower advantages, but their daily losses coupled with the state of their economy doesn't bode well for them.
 

Griz882

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You may be correct, but pulling the plug on UKR would be a strategic mistake IMO. UKR are the defenders, and are fighting for their sovereignty. RUS economy is circling the drain. To take the foot off their neck right now would be bad. Obviously, RUS has manpower advantages, but their daily losses coupled with the state of their economy doesn't bode well for them.
It’s pretty much down to who can hold on the longest, Russia’s economy or the Ukraine’s manpower. Still, with reference to strategy, today’s politicians are like J. Welling Wimpy from the Popeye cartoons…”I’ll gladly war with you Tuesday for a little peace today.” I’m willing to bet that none of the European leaders think Putin will move beyond Ukrainian borders were he to win there but they all acknowledge he will - and yes - he will.
 

Uncle Fester

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It is going to be hard to find a nation willing to offer soldiers to fight in the Ukraine War. While I understand the sentiment, “kicking Putin’s ass” isn’t going to be enough.
I dunno. The Poles have been aching to go in since this started, at least partly on the "We're going to have to fight Putin sooner or later" theory. If they felt confident the war could be kept 1) conventional and 2) inside Ukraine and the Russian border areas, and that the supply train from the rest of NATO wouldn't suddenly dry up, I think they'd go for it. On the flip side, there's been some on-and-off political tensions - mostly trade stuff - and I have no idea of "Polish boys dying to defend Ukraine" would play domestically.
 

Uncle Fester

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Yeah, I'm curious what kind of alert Assad's pilot is sitting on in Damascus (with gas to reach Moscow) 😆. Seems like it's not going well for the Syrian regime. I honestly don't know who the characters are that would take over, if the regime fell. Once some of the things being reported happen, there can be a tipping point...then it happens fast.

I think I saw that Assad"s family is in Moscow, now. Not sure if that reporting is true, but would be interesting.
The sudden reversal of fortune for Assad has been fascinating. My impression (though I haven't been paying close attention) was that things had essentially stalemated, with the government holding all the big cities and various rebel groups holding bits-of-this-and-that in the country but not able to do much. Then they all of a sudden take Aleppo, Hama, and they're advancing on Homs (which would seriously threaten Damascus) - Reuters says the government troops have abandoned Homs already. And the Russian embassy and TASS put out an advisory for Russian citizens to leave the country yesterday.
 

taxi1

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The sudden reversal of fortune for Assad has been fascinating. My impression (though I haven't been paying close attention) was that things had essentially stalemated, with the government holding all the big cities and various rebel groups holding bits-of-this-and-that in the country but not able to do much. Then they all of a sudden take Aleppo, Hama, and they're advancing on Homs (which would seriously threaten Damascus) - Reuters says the government troops have abandoned Homs already. And the Russian embassy and TASS put out an advisory for Russian citizens to leave the country yesterday.
It is all connected, isn’t it? You tug on nodes here (Gaza and Ukraine) and through a network of strings you move a node over there, putting it into an unstable state waiting to collapse.
 
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