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Europe under extreme duress

JTS11

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The sudden reversal of fortune for Assad has been fascinating. My impression (though I haven't been paying close attention) was that things had essentially stalemated, with the government holding all the big cities and various rebel groups holding bits-of-this-and-that in the country but not able to do much. Then they all of a sudden take Aleppo, Hama, and they're advancing on Homs (which would seriously threaten Damascus) - Reuters says the government troops have abandoned Homs already. And the Russian embassy and TASS put out an advisory for Russian citizens to leave the country yesterday.
Yeah, I'm curious what's going to happen. It seems like stuff like this hits a tipping point, and then it happens quickly. Regime security forces just dissolve away.

But, fuck Russia. I hope they destroy all their broke-ass aircraft there, and all their port facilities.
 

Uncle Fester

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It is all connected, isn’t it? You tug on nodes here (Gaza and Ukraine) and through a network of strings you move a node over there, putting it into an unstable state waiting to collapse.
Sure, agreed. I'm not surprised Assad's significantly weaker than he was 3-4 years ago. His two big backers (Russia and Iran) are preoccupied with their own stuff, after all. I'm just not clear on how the HTS group got its shit together enough to rally all the other groups, and well armed and organized enough to launch an offensive like this. Who armed them? I know they scout's-honor swear they're not an AQ affiliate any more, but I don't think we, Israel, Turkey, KSA, or any of the big European players buy that enough to give them guns. The last thing Iraq or the Jords want is Syria going hot and then collapsing. I don't know who that leaves.
 

Uncle Fester

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Yeah, I'm curious what's going to happen. It seems like stuff like this hits a tipping point, and then it happens quickly. Regime security forces just dissolve away.

But, fuck Russia. I hope they destroy all their broke-ass aircraft there, and all their port facilities.
Unfortunately, short of a sudden turnaround by Assad, I think the most likely scenario is Syria goes the way of Libya. Regime collapses, the rebel groups turn on each other once they've won, no group is strong enough to unify or beat the other groups into submission, and you get perpetual semi-organized gang war on a big scale.

If Russia loses access to Tartus, between that and the Bosporous closed to them as long as Ukraine is going on, they're basically closed out of the Med.
 

JTS11

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If Russia loses access to Tartus, between that and the Bosporous closed to them as long as Ukraine is going on, they're basically closed out of the Med.
I think that's the big point. I think they use those air bases to resupply whatever fuckery they're doing in central Africa as well. The loss of access to the Med would seem like a big deal to me.

Also, perhaps puts them on the backfoot. We'll wait to see what happens in the Romanian election on Sun, and how protests in Georgia turn out.
 

Gatordev

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I honestly don't know who the characters are that would take over, if the regime fell.

If you're interested, this is a pretty good summation of all of the current players put into a relatively easily digestible 22 minute video. It doesn't answer who will take over, but at least itemizes the candidates.

 

JTS11

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If you're interested, this is a pretty good summation of all of the current players put into a relatively easily digestible 22 minute video. It doesn't answer who will take over, but at least itemizes the candidates.

Just got done watching that vid. Yeah, I think he does a good job breaking down the actors and complexities. Thanks for sharing.

From a US national interest perspective , I'd argue that RUS getting ejected from there is a good thing...but yeah not sure what a post-Assad regime looks like. Hopefully the Kurds will be more respectfully treated, but I dunno.
 

cfam

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I think that's the big point. I think they use those air bases to resupply whatever fuckery they're doing in central Africa as well. The loss of access to the Med would seem like a big deal to me.
That’s absolutely true, as well as everything they have going on in Libya. Not having logistical hubs in Syria may force a significant Russian drawdown in Libya, which they’ve been using to facilitate access into the rest of the continent. It’ll be fascinating to see how this plays out over the next few months.
 

cfam

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I think that's the big point. I think they use those air bases to resupply whatever fuckery they're doing in central Africa as well. The loss of access to the Med would seem like a big deal to me.
That’s absolutely true, as well as everything they have going on in Libya. Not having logistical hubs in Syria may force a significant Russian drawdown in Libya, which they’ve been using to facilitate access into the rest of the continent. It’ll be fascinating to see how this plays out over the next few months.
 

ChillBeast69

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Not sure if this is the right thread to post this, but what’s the general consensus towards the random drone sightings in the northeast lately and the drone incursions over military bases? Lots of airline sightings of strange stuff too. Not tryna be conspiracy or ufo nerd just curious what more knowledgeable people think about all this.
 

Uncle Fester

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From a US national interest perspective , I'd argue that RUS getting ejected from there is a good thing...but yeah not sure what a post-Assad regime looks like. Hopefully the Kurds will be more respectfully treated, but I dunno.
If you wanted to go for a real Kissinger-style, “fuck over my enemy today and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow” policy, then give the HTS group guns and money enough to finish the job and kick over Assad. It makes all kinds of problems for Iran and Russia and makes some of our problems in Israel, the Sahel, and in the Med go away, or at least easier to solve.

I would hope that Afghanistan was enough of a lesson in the inherent risks of that kind of approach, but.

“We’ll see,” said the Zen master.
 

JTS11

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If you wanted to go for a real Kissinger-style, “fuck over my enemy today and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow” policy, then give the HTS group guns and money enough to finish the job and kick over Assad. It makes all kinds of problems for Iran and Russia and makes some of our problems in Israel, the Sahel, and in the Med go away, or at least easier to solve.

I would hope that Afghanistan was enough of a lesson in the inherent risks of that kind of approach, but.

“We’ll see,” said the Zen master.
That's entirely true. The "We'll see" comment is on point. Maybe the country gets balkanized, and they agree to not fuck with each other (Kurds)...but that may be naive.

In the short term, the exodus of RUS from that area would be a good thing.
 

GroundPounder

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Not sure if this is the right thread to post this, but what’s the general consensus towards the random drone sightings in the northeast lately and the drone incursions over military bases? Lots of airline sightings of strange stuff too. Not tryna be conspiracy or ufo nerd just curious what more knowledgeable people think about all this.
The only person on this forum who would have the knowledge and desire to comment would be Skeeterman, maybe this will draw him out.
 

Griz882

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Rebels in Damascus claim victory; Assad has left country, Russia says

This is going to be pretty huge. Just *how* remains to be seen.
While it is good to see Russia and Iran get a kick in the teeth the “what comes next” issue is a real concern. I believe the greatest damage will fall on Iran as now the people have clear and convincing evidence that governments can be disposed of. I’m not predicting a rebellion in Iran, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened. The real question is what, if any, impact will it have on Russia?
 
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