final select and prt?

[blarged]

ya I know thats why Im stressing about it I think i can get into the 13's by running 7 of the 9 days i have but i dont see getting into the 12's I'll prob have to push it back 2 weeks

word of caution ... if you haven't been running much prior, running 7 of 9 days really going at it ... watch out you don't hurt yourself (legs)

 

[yakboyslim]

yeah that is a lot of time to drop. Make sure to take it easy the day or two before, don't want to hurt yourself right before the PFT. Also you will drop a lot of time just having someone tell you what your pace is. I just got my run in order because I was being told how close to pace I was (1 minute/lap for 1/8 mile tracks and 2 minutes/lap for 1/4 mile tracks)

Just tell yourself you need to make the time and then stay on top of the pace no matter how much it hurts and your body says no. And if you can't make give yourself a few weeks, run more and try again. I dropped 1:30 in about 2 weeks running, it can be done.

 

[PR1 H]

What fleet were you all in??? Anything under a Good-Low is considered failing and if you do that 3 times in under 3 years now, that's grounds for being kicked out.

Negative. SAT Medium is the lowest you can go without getting put on FEP. So long as you cut Probationary, you still passed... but barely, and if your overall score is Probationary, you are put on FEP. If you score under Probationary on any one single event, regardless of how well you did on the other events, you Fail. Failing 3 PRT cycles in a 4 year period and they can begin to process for ADSEP. However... if you are over 18 years, you can request a waiver to stay in until 20 to be able to retire. If you are over 20, you can put in a request to retire at the earliest convenience of the government... BUT... you have to request it. Otherwise, you get booted, no retirement.

ya I know thats why Im stressing about it I think i can get into the 13's by running 7 of the 9 days i have but i dont see getting into the 12's I'll prob have to push it back 2 weeks

You aren't running just a 1.5 are you? If you are going to drop your time, you need to be running farther than the minimum. If your body is conditioned to only go so far, that's as far as it's going to go. Try running a minimum of 2-3 miles at a steady pace. If you can run 3 miles, then you'll have more energy for a 1.5. I'm 33 and run about an 11:23, but only because I haven't been able to run as much as I'd like for a while. Just my .02

 

[hotwings]

pr1, your saying as long as im above probationary im good for pre-ocs?......do you mind telling me where you got this info?



*and just so you guys dont think im just trying to do the min. i do plan to continue running until ocs, I would just like to have everything in so i can be eligible for my FS

 

[m26]

I believe he's referring to the fleet (i.e. how it works for people who are already serving, not mins a FS/OCS).

 

[Phoenix1]

bdcp, pre-ocs/fs, rotc... they all work much the same. good-low in ALL 3 in order to move on (which implies good-low overall as well). after that you are considered what pr1 is talking about for the 'fleet' guys, SAT med or better will keep you in the clear.

 

[hotwings]

ok thanks.....I've decided after running this weekend i am going to postpone 2 weeks because my time is not falling fast enough....this gives me 3 weeks to drop 2:40 which still is not going to be easy but definitely more doable...thanks everyone for your help, im going to keep my progress posted if anyone is interested

fri ran 15:44
sat ran 15:37 on sore legs
sun resting

*my goal will be to drop 20 sec each run and I am going to rest 2 days a week (and i will be increasing my distance every 2-3 runs)

 

[m26]

Make sure your form is good, no wasted movement, etc.

Read this:
http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147984

 

[sea_wolf]

*my goal will be to drop 20 sec each run and I am going to rest 2 days a week (and i will be increasing my distance every 2-3 runs)

Running, or cardio in general really doesn't work that way man. Unless you're not giving it your all I'm not sure how well your heart and lungs are going to adapt in that short a time.

Not to mention if there is ANYTHING wrong with your form, running shoes, or pronation/flat-footedness then going from zero to running 5 days a week for three weeks is going to destroy your body (knees, shin splints, all kinds of things)

Just be careful because the #1 mistake for beginning runners is to overdo it and injure themselves, which can often take weeks of rest to heal.

I understand you don't have much of a choice but when I first started it was about a month of various cardio (running, swimming, elliptical) four times a week before I slashed 1.5 minutes off my run time. (I wasn't in the best of shape)

 

[hotwings]

i understand what your saying but like you said i dont have much choice.....the last month i have been running twice a week but only for a half a mile or so. It feels like my lungs are good, i just need to pick up the pace .....the first 2 laps(on a track) im good but after that im jogging like an old man for the last mile. Basically Im out of shape I used to play lacrosse and ice hockey (high school) so running 3 miles was nothing to me, well go to college and sit on your ass for a couple years and your cardio goes to shit.

 

[m26]

Seawolf is right. Find a gym, talk to a trainer. Or find someone at the exercise & sport science dept at the nearest uni that has one. For my money, you have ~0% chance of knocking your time down that much, even in two weeks. Killing yourself over two weeks is only going to make it worse.

If it were me, I would run 1.5-2 mi 4x the first week, ~3x the second week. Rest completely one or even two days before the PRT. Get plenty of carbs that morning, but don't run the PRT on a full stomach. Know what the Good-Low mark is for PU and CU and don't go too far over (but try to beat the min by at least 1 or 2). Be warm and stretched, but don't waste energy on your warm up. Pace yourself, breathe, maintain perfect running form, and gut it out the last 2 laps. Think of Steve Prefontaine. It's not about running ability, it's about pain tolerance. You only have to do this one once. Work on your overall ability later.

Anyone have a better idea?

 

[hotwings]

ya i wish i could go talk to someone but i live in a smaller town, i'm beginning to realize how hard this is but I have to stay positive or there is no way I'm going to get through this. Oh and i plan on testing(if i am ready) 3 weeks from today. I just cant believe I basically have a spot and running is what is holding me up i definitely thought if i was going to have trouble it was going to be with the push ups.

* today i ran a half mile and then did 100yd sprints, and I do know the 20 sec is pretty unrealistic but if i can cut aroud 10 sec each time and gut it out during the test it will be close

 

[cpwhit1]

Keep it up Hotwings. I'm in the same boat...played hockey and lacrosse in high school...played beer pong in college...got pro rec'd in Oct...started PTing and all of a sudden I can't do push-ups.

Life's a bitch, aint it? At least we got the pro rec! I'm actually having a bit a leg problems but I can do 1.5 miles in about 11:30, so I'm not gonna push my legs any further. But I'm currently only doing about 42 (barely) push ups (I'm 24 so my good-low is 47). Headed to MEPS tomorrow, and then I'll have to schedule a day for the PRT.

Good luck, and don't give up!

 

[PR1 H]

pr1, your saying as long as im above probationary im good for pre-ocs?......do you mind telling me where you got this info?

No... like M26 noted, I was referencing a previous question in regards to failing a PRT in the fleet. I can't claim to know anything about OCS as I never went. My .02 of advice to you was about running more than the mins. That much I do have experience with. I hate running with a passion.. or at least I did. I showed up to NSWG-2 (Naval Special Warfare Group 2) barely able to run 2 miles, and nowhere near the time I needed to run in to pass Airborne. Within 1 month, my 2 mile time dropped from 16:30 to 14:20, continuing to a 4 mile time of 31:xx and continuing that for a 5 mile of 43:xx. The week before I left, for jump, I did a 7.3 mile run in about 54 minutes and was pissed when I stopped and realized I coulda made it an even 10. The biggest thing that helped me... was running farther than I was going to need to. Plus I had a Chief on my ass telling me I better cut my time down. Was a bit of an eye opener when I asked what I needed to do one morning for PT and was told "Go sprint 3 miles". When I asked if he meant sprint for like 100 yards, then jog for 100, then back to sprinting, his reply was "No... 3 miles.. as hard as you can, the whole time. I know you are going to drop off... but 100% the whole run."

 

[hotwings]

PR1-ya someone cleared that up for me I was just hoping for that extra 30 secs, and im taking a little bit of everyones advice including yours of running 2-3 miles, for my style of running I think this will prob be the most important thing for me to do as my pace signifigantly falls off after the first half mile

CP- ya life can mess with you, like I said above this was the last thing I was worried about, I figured ahhh run for a 2-3 weeks and ill be down to 11 min no problem