I work with gays everyday and even though I disagree with their lifestyle, I get along with them. I've had many a beer or meal on a layover with gay FAs. It's live and let live.
However I will say that the premise that gays are born that way is just that, a premise on the part of some people. Studies fall both ways on this, many involve identical twins where one is gay and the other is not. Since identical twins have the same genetic makeup, they should either be both gay or both straight. Further if genetics makes someone gay, why are there people who are equally attracted to both sexes? Until the mythical "gay gene" is isolated and proven reliably by multiple researchers, I will contend that being gay is a choice and saying that they had no choice is a defense mechanism that originated by gays to justify their choice.
So saying substitute black for gay talk is BS, you have no choice over your skin color. Substituting gay for Christian is a more realistic comparison as both are choices. (This is not directed at you specifically phrogdriver but at the discussion in general.)
Just my humble opinion and I'll crawl back to my spectator hole with my popcorn while you guys continue the endless debate that will never be resolved (just like abortion or religious debates). I'll throw another log on the fire when I get bored. Have fun.
I would say until it's proven that it is a choice, we MUST believe it isn't. The ONLY evidence we have these days is that, manifestly, it is NOT a choice talking to EVERY gay person who would be willing to take part in a study. So, until we can address the science on a genetic, biological level, we can only take the observations from the subjects of the study. As far as I'm concerned, the above issue about choice was correct in ONE part: Gays are either born that way, or their behavior changed as a result of childhood sexual abuse, but in BOTH cases, it is NOT a choice when questioning the individual.
It seems like the obvious question.... but if it was a choice, why the HELL would ANYone choose such a difficult life full of discrimination and intolerance?