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Hard Power and Soft Power

taxi1

Well-Known Member
pilot
I literally just asked AI to translate the Gettysburg Address into COBOL. Please forgive me.

IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
PROGRAM-ID. GETTYSBURG-ADDRESS.
AUTHOR. ABRAHAM-LINCOLN.

ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
INPUT-OUTPUT SECTION.
FILE-CONTROL.
SELECT SPEECH-TEXT ASSIGN TO PRINTER.

DATA DIVISION.
FILE SECTION.
FD SPEECH-TEXT
RECORD CONTAINS 80 CHARACTERS.
01 SPEECH-LINE PIC X(80).

WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.
01 DATE-TEXT PIC X(10).
01 NATION-TEXT PIC X(20).
01 DEDICATION-TEXT PIC X(20).
01 CIVIL-WAR-TEXT PIC X(20).
01 EQUALITY-TEXT PIC X(20).

PROCEDURE DIVISION.

MOVE 'Four score and seven years ago' TO SPEECH-LINE
WRITE SPEECH-LINE

MOVE 'our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation' TO SPEECH-LINE
WRITE SPEECH-LINE

MOVE 'conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal' TO SPEECH-LINE
WRITE SPEECH-LINE

MOVE 'Now we are engaged in a great civil war' TO SPEECH-LINE
WRITE SPEECH-LINE


...

CLOSE SPEECH-TEXT

STOP RUN.
 

JTS11

Well-Known Member
pilot
Contributor
I literally just asked AI to translate the Gettysburg Address into COBOL. Please forgive me.

IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
PROGRAM-ID. GETTYSBURG-ADDRESS.
AUTHOR. ABRAHAM-LINCOLN.

ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
INPUT-OUTPUT SECTION.
FILE-CONTROL.
SELECT SPEECH-TEXT ASSIGN TO PRINTER.

DATA DIVISION.
FILE SECTION.
FD SPEECH-TEXT
RECORD CONTAINS 80 CHARACTERS.
01 SPEECH-LINE PIC X(80).

WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.
01 DATE-TEXT PIC X(10).
01 NATION-TEXT PIC X(20).
01 DEDICATION-TEXT PIC X(20).
01 CIVIL-WAR-TEXT PIC X(20).
01 EQUALITY-TEXT PIC X(20).

PROCEDURE DIVISION.

MOVE 'Four score and seven years ago' TO SPEECH-LINE
WRITE SPEECH-LINE

MOVE 'our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation' TO SPEECH-LINE
WRITE SPEECH-LINE

MOVE 'conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal' TO SPEECH-LINE
WRITE SPEECH-LINE

MOVE 'Now we are engaged in a great civil war' TO SPEECH-LINE
WRITE SPEECH-LINE


...

CLOSE SPEECH-TEXT

STOP RUN.
Haha... I took up my 5th grade teacher's challenge to the class to recite that address from memory for an award of 5 bucks. Seemed like a lot of money to me at the time, and I did it.

Only reason I know what a score is.
 

Griz882

Frightening children with the Griz-O-Copter!
pilot
Contributor
This is another bad take on many levels. Just because folks all the sudden found out about the federal civil service's antiquated and Kafkaesque retirement process doesn't mean it wasn't known about, publicized and profiled before.

Even worse though are some of the claims and supposed solutions to them that folks have trumpeted. The claims often range from the partially inaccurate to outright lies, not only this particular case but many other supposed discoveries like 150 year olds getting Social Security when in reality it is a likely a COBOL default database setting. The 'solutions' espoused may seem easy to outsiders or folks unused to government and its unique responsibilities but once you start digging they become much more complicated and challenging to solve.

Can things be improved in many areas? Of course, but taking a wrecking ball to it and seeing what breaks and what works after is not the way to do it especially when it can cause real harm to folks.
Not so much. There is a different reality and we’ve seen it unfold right here on AW. Think back to the many conversations here about the failures of the PERS system. Guys off track through no fault of their own, the comically inept handling of the flying warrant officer program, and even weird extensions of obligated service. To guys like @Brett327 who are on the far side of the system, “it works” (that is not intended as a jab, because for him it worked well). On the other side there are young aviators yelling about flight hours, tours, delays in flight school and so on - to them the system is broken.

In truth the most important divide in our politics today isn’t between “left” and “right,” but between status-quo types who are invested in the established, entrenched institutions of American life and broke types who feel that whole parts of America’s governing bodies have decayed past the point of usability. To guys on one side, the old system works fine…just needs a few tweaks, no need to upset the apple cart…to guys on the other side it doesn’t work…rip it down, toss out what is rusty, and modernize it.

I’m sorry, I know many of you don’t like it, but anecdotes are the life blood of politics. No one, not democrats, not republicans, give a rats ass about facts. They like the “truth” because it ca be manipulated (Trump’s BS style is all about taking personal control of the “truth”) and they like “tiny fact” anecdotes that serve the “truth” they want to sell. Caught in the middle are normal people. The status quo types tell them things like “It’s only $3 billion dollars, a fraction of the budget so there is no reason to fix it” while they are making $45,000 a year. To them a $3000 balancing error can be catastrophic so when they hear crap like that they roll their eyes and move on. The broke types tell them “USAID gave away a $3 million dollar grant to study transgender swimsuit design in Central America” and the ordinary unwashed roll their eyes wondering why you are bring that up when eggs are so expensive? They have to decide how to vote and if it is working or broke - based on two ridiculous metrics - no wonder our politics are in a whip saw stage right now.

Me, I’m kind of in the middle leaning ever so slightly toward break it up, but I too have my sacred cows. I’d hate to see the National Park Service modernized,” I’d love to see Social Security and other obligatory spending clawed forward out of the 1960’s and into the 2020’s - that doesn’t mean cut down, it means modernized. I totally understand and support the idea of a “purple (highly joint) armed service” but would hate to see the traditions of the Marine Corps get washed away in some Army tripe.

So, what to do? Trump was elected and in a pretty substantial way.. Every voter over the age of 18 knows him full well - they have seen him get go through, what, three impeachment attempts - yet they voted him in. So, let him do his job. If he goes too far the next Congress (less than 24 months away) will slam on the brakes. If he goes too far the voters will fix it (and yes, Biden and the progressives went too far) if he doesn’t, then change is the word of the day,
 

Griz882

Frightening children with the Griz-O-Copter!
pilot
Contributor
Haha... I took up my 5th grade teacher's challenge to the class to recite that address from memory for an award of 5 bucks. Seemed like a lot of money to me at the time, and I did it.

Only reason I know what a score is.
Five dollars is a good score even today!
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
Not so much. There is a different reality and we’ve seen it unfold right here on AW. Think back to the many conversations here about the failures of the PERS system. Guys off track through no fault of their own...to them the system is broken.

That is little different than the very same complaints of previous generations, for the military one only need to look to examples like Willie & Joe in WWII to a USAF JO's 'Dear Boss' letter in the late 70's. The same goes for government and those who have long railed against it, like Father Coughlin and Huey Long in the 30's to the John Birch Society in the 50's and 60's to Pat Buchannan in the 90's. What is old is new again.

So, what to do? Trump was elected and in a pretty substantial way.. Every voter over the age of 18 knows him full well - they have seen him get go through, what, three impeachment attempts - yet they voted him in. So, let him do his job.

I'm not sure getting less than a majority of voters could be termed a 'substantial'. As for just 'letting him do his job', I'm not sure that is what his opponents and the 'loyal opposition' are supposed to do. After all, we are still a free country.
 

Hotdogs

I don’t care if I hurt your feelings
pilot
This is an absurdly bad take, with Western Europe being far freer than any other region in the world. It has its issues but they pale in comparison to almost everywhere else. For us to severely chastise them for 'lacking in freedom of speech' is like us railing against a HOA that won't let folks paint their houses purple while we say nothing of the neighborhood next door where folks are burning each other's houses down and after trying to murder them.

A couple things to note, I don't agree with some of the restrictions many European countries have on freedom of speech but they are very minor, with those countries maintaining very strong freedoms to include speech and press (AP anyone?)

I’ve avoided getting into this thread because I find politics exhausting. But Flash, governments arresting citizens for online social media posts and defining “hate speech” (which is defined how exactly?) is the type of stuff that eventually led to the US Revolutionary War. I wouldn’t call them “minor” at all.

Although it doesn’t exactly brief well parroting western liberal values like free speech when you drop the Federal investigation/charges on potential corruption in Mayor’s office of NYC for political expediency. The current administration is just as much full of shit as the last one. I just have less transgender shit being shoved in my face.
 

Griz882

Frightening children with the Griz-O-Copter!
pilot
Contributor
I'm not sure getting less than a majority of voters could be termed a 'substantial'. As for just 'letting him do his job', I'm not sure that is what his opponents and the 'loyal opposition' are supposed to do. After all, we are still a free country.
Well, see, here we are playing games again. OK…OK…I agree that Trump did not get the “majority” of the popular vote (as in 50.01%) but one could also say that a 3,000,000 vote win is substantial. Better yet, we could really wordsmith it (and be perfectly “truthful”) that the democrats are basically down to being made up of about 20 cities, Martha’s Vineyard, and Aspen. We could truthfully say that Trump won a “majority” of the electoral college. Or we could basically accept the fact that he won and therefore has the absolute right to push his agenda. As I noted, the proof is in the pudding…if he goes too far he’ll get yanked back in two years. If people are pleased…he won’t. We are still in very early times…but the “loyal opposition” doesn’t seem to want to oppose. They have tools available and they have discussed using them and what it will cost in terms of popularity.

That’s the future and I can only guess about that.
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
I’ve avoided getting into this thread because I find politics exhausting. But Flash, governments arresting citizens for online social media posts and defining “hate speech” (which is defined how exactly?) is the type of stuff that eventually led to the US Revolutionary War. I wouldn’t call them “minor” at all.

Yes, those indeed have been minor as there have been very few who have been arrested, charged, sanctioned or convicted for violating hate speech or other related laws. Who gets to define what is 'hate speech'? In this case, democratically elected governments with a very broad societal consensus.

As I pointed out before, I do not agree with this approach and much prefer the American view of free speech but I don't have serious qualms about Europe's (along with Canada, Australia and New Zealand's) approach to free speech as long as their restrictions are carefully exercised. I also acknowledge that when it comes to freedom of speech, the USA truly is exceptional with how few restrictions we have on speech compared to almost every other nation on earth.

I would be remiss in pointing out that in many of the cases that are so gleefully highlighted by those who oppose them are often distorted, blown out of proportion or have a considerable amount of inaccuracy or flat out lies when reported on. One of the cases that 'Tommy Robinson' (not his birth name, ironically) was jailed for is an example, where he violated laws on trying to publicly identify defendants of a trial that was underway (one of the 'groomer gang' trials). It wasn't for hate speech or anything of the like.
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
Well, see, here we are playing games again. OK…OK…I agree that Trump did not get the “majority” of the popular vote (as in 50.01%) but one could also say that a 3,000,000 vote win is substantial. Better yet, we could really wordsmith it (and be perfectly “truthful”) that the democrats are basically down to being made up of about 20 cities, Martha’s Vineyard, and Aspen. We could truthfully say that Trump won a “majority” of the electoral college.

I would have assumed that someone as smart as you would know the electoral map of this country is many shades of purple and not just red and blue.

...Or we could basically accept the fact that he won and therefore has the absolute right to push his agenda. As I noted, the proof is in the pudding…if he goes too far he’ll get yanked back in two years. If people are pleased…he won’t. We are still in very early times…but the “loyal opposition” doesn’t seem to want to oppose. They have tools available and they have discussed using them and what it will cost in terms of popularity.

He, like any President, has the right to push his policy but not to dictate it.
 

PhrogPhlyer

Two heads are better than one.
pilot
None
I appreciated Lincoln's brevity.
Especially considering the crowd was expecting an hours long oration.

iu
 

Hotdogs

I don’t care if I hurt your feelings
pilot
Yes, those indeed have been minor as there have been very few who have been arrested, charged, sanctioned or convicted for violating hate speech or other related laws. Who gets to define what is 'hate speech'? In this case, democratically elected governments with a very broad societal consensus.

As I pointed out before, I do not agree with this approach and much prefer the American view of free speech but I don't have serious qualms about Europe's (along with Canada, Australia and New Zealand's) approach to free speech as long as their restrictions are carefully exercised. I also acknowledge that when it comes to freedom of speech, the USA truly is exceptional with how few restrictions we have on speech compared to almost every other nation on earth.

I would be remiss in pointing out that in many of the cases that are so gleefully highlighted by those who oppose them are often distorted, blown out of proportion or have a considerable amount of inaccuracy or flat out lies when reported on. One of the cases that 'Tommy Robinson' (not his birth name, ironically) was jailed for is an example, where he violated laws on trying to publicly identify defendants of a trial that was underway (one of the 'groomer gang' trials). It wasn't for hate speech or anything of the like.

We kickstarted a revolution over spilt tea and taxes. Not sure what you expected. 😂

It’s not minor, Flash... and it's not isolated. Both things can be true at the same time. We have way more in common with our European allies than other countries, but they’ve changed over the last 20-30 years. Our court system and constitutional rights have given us protections that other countries do not enjoy. However, I agree with you in the sense that we have bigger fish to fry.
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
It’s not minor, Flash... and it's not isolated. Both things can be true at the same time. We have way more in common with our European allies than other countries, but they’ve changed over the last 20-30 years. Our court system and constitutional rights have given us protections that other countries do not enjoy. However, I agree with you in the sense that we have bigger fish to fry.

For countries of over 50 million for a decade or so, I would argue otherwise. I suppose it is a small disagreement that won't be resolved over the internets....;)

That is the main argument I have, why focus on these small details when you have a neighboring country, a fellow democracy to boot, fighting for its very existence against an autocratic regime bent on destroying it? And that same autocratic country threatens our oldest and most reliable allies. Bigger fish to fry to say the least, goldfish versus a great white shark. That is where our focus should be, not on closet Nazis and racist shitbags who get their wrists slapped.
 
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