Being handed the keys to a Katana with the words "she runs rough sometimes" is awesome on a solo. I wouldn't fly a piston single with a stall speed above 60 if I could help it, and a feathering prop would be great...having gotten the engine "stutter" on climbout once is enough, especially since IFS doesn't always teach an emergency landing pattern.
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No more Solo X-C for IFS students?
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pilot_man said:
And once again, you're reading what YOU want to read, not what is there. You flat out accused me of calling your friend a moron. Damn dude, I have an engineering degree and even I can look at that and see that it doesn't say "the dude that died at Milton is an idiot". If someone crashed a plane because they did something wrong, I would say it outright, not use some subtle trickery.
Have you ever said to someone "You don't do it this way" and "you" doesn't actually mean the person you're talking to? That's what "this dude" is. It is not referring to your friend. Other people figured this out.
Here are my observations on this little discussion for those who are having problems following...
Fezz talking about what he knows relating to the word that there will be no more IFS solo XCs-
Brett responding to above-
Fly resonding to Bretts Comment above, and giving an example of such reaction-
Fly, expounding further on the knee-jerk reactions and how there is not much thought put into them... Instead of [1] reviewing things and identifiying the factor that contributed to it. [2] Or identifying the flawed logic of the single individual involved that contributed to such an indicent... they [3] group all parts of the activity and all people involved togather saying that all of it is bad, and everyone else will do the same things just because one person did-
SuperFly totally ignoring the context of the conversation and seeing the word "idiot" in the same post window as a sidebar example of how the Navy conducts business- failing to pay attention to the rest of the post, because he knew the person involved in that specific incident and interprets it as Fly attacking his friend...
There- its a little easier to follow now that its all in the same window...
Fezz talking about what he knows relating to the word that there will be no more IFS solo XCs-
Fezz CB said:
Brett responding to above-
Brett327 said:
Fly resonding to Bretts Comment above, and giving an example of such reaction-
Fly Navy said:
Fly, expounding further on the knee-jerk reactions and how there is not much thought put into them... Instead of [1] reviewing things and identifiying the factor that contributed to it. [2] Or identifying the flawed logic of the single individual involved that contributed to such an indicent... they [3] group all parts of the activity and all people involved togather saying that all of it is bad, and everyone else will do the same things just because one person did-
Fly Navy said:
SuperFly totally ignoring the context of the conversation and seeing the word "idiot" in the same post window as a sidebar example of how the Navy conducts business- failing to pay attention to the rest of the post, because he knew the person involved in that specific incident and interprets it as Fly attacking his friend...
SuperFly said:
There- its a little easier to follow now that its all in the same window...
YGTBSM. What Navy plane was involved here? Here, let me answer for you. None.Fezz CB said:
IFS hardly ever uses Navy planes. I doubt you'd be able to tell which flights are with civilian students and which are Navy. I imagine he means "mishap" or "incident", nothing in the Register.
That's my point.highlyrandom said:
Ah. Right you are then - the YGTBSM for the uproar, not for the claim. Sorry bout that.
Wow, what a hard head. Once you get done with ACM you can be this cocky. You read again young one, I didn't say you called him an idiot. My point was if it is a problem with the aircraft (engine failure), then it is a problem with the school and their maintenance program. I'll say it again, you didn't say his friend was an idiot JUST THAT MOST OF THE TIME CRASHES ARE CAUSED BY IDIOCY.
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error or idiocy?
The question is is it an idioot who makes a mistake.
F4 hits too hard , gear collapses RIO dies - Pilot error
F8 catches edge of flight deck - Pilot error
Hard landing A4 - gear collapse - Pilot error
Point is training issues were all at fault in each case.
Yes the pilot made an error, but the system had failed the pilot.
In the civilian training environment so many incidents have been caused by lack of time and faulty info that they too have to re-evaluate and re-train.
Nobody is saying kid gloves training, but anybody who has been around will tell you its training training TRAINING. Each person has different needs and abilities. Secondly I can't find too many incidents were the mistake was idiocy, it was a mistake. There are two types of pilots, those who have made a mistake, and those who will, hopefully the error won't cause a death, but whether it does or not, its time to ask what we could have done better.
The question is is it an idioot who makes a mistake.
F4 hits too hard , gear collapses RIO dies - Pilot error
F8 catches edge of flight deck - Pilot error
Hard landing A4 - gear collapse - Pilot error
Point is training issues were all at fault in each case.
Yes the pilot made an error, but the system had failed the pilot.
In the civilian training environment so many incidents have been caused by lack of time and faulty info that they too have to re-evaluate and re-train.
Nobody is saying kid gloves training, but anybody who has been around will tell you its training training TRAINING. Each person has different needs and abilities. Secondly I can't find too many incidents were the mistake was idiocy, it was a mistake. There are two types of pilots, those who have made a mistake, and those who will, hopefully the error won't cause a death, but whether it does or not, its time to ask what we could have done better.
Ever hear of guys running out of fuel? I know where I come from, which isn't the land of lollypops and rainbows, fuel starvation causes the engine to stop running (i.e. engine failure). Same thing can happen if the pilot forgets to screw back on the oil dipstick, there is potential for a loss of oil and the engine seizing. A sufficient reduction in power in an airplane whos engine has a carburator, vice injected straight into the pistons, has the potential to cause icing in that carburator and if not dealt with quickly enough, can cause engine failure. These are just a few examples where it would not be a problem with the flight school's maintenance program. A possible training issue? Yes, but that's a hard one to prove.pilot_man said:
codtanker said:
Contract program at FBOs paid for by the Navy. Originally to take you through a solo X-C.
If I understand the mishap correctly, it was a apparently a stall on take off. If they are still going to solo these guys at the local field, how is implimenting ghost X-Countries going to prevent the type of mishap that occured? Oh wait, I get it. The solo take off accident happened at the destination airport of the solo x-c. Oh ya. Sounds like the Navy. You have a take off accident that you deal with by dropping the entire solo x-c event, while still making solo local flights. What roll would solo x-c flight have in a take off accident? Before long I am sure you guys will not be soloing at all.
