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No more Solo X-C for IFS students?
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Ok guys, here's a news flash. Aviation is a dangerous lifestyle!! There will be accidents and there will be investigations into those accidents. Most will live but some will die. I don't like it and I've had very very close friends that have been in both types.
Back to the original topic, can a upcoming SNA have the option of paying for his own solo x-country and not have the "Ghost" with him? No matter what you think having a solo "SHOTGUN" is not a solo, it sucks. Most of the time you will find in CNATRA that you are shotgunned for weather and your pressed for training days to complete.
Bottom line is if you have the money, complete your private, and don't forget to do your multi-engine and single engine commercial when you get your wings.
Back to the original topic, can a upcoming SNA have the option of paying for his own solo x-country and not have the "Ghost" with him? No matter what you think having a solo "SHOTGUN" is not a solo, it sucks. Most of the time you will find in CNATRA that you are shotgunned for weather and your pressed for training days to complete.
Bottom line is if you have the money, complete your private, and don't forget to do your multi-engine and single engine commercial when you get your wings.
codtanker said:
Pretty sure they can... when I went through, there was nothing that said you couldn't pay for your own flight time... just said that the navy was only going to fund 25hrs. I distinctly remember a conversation regarding this comming up while I was in IFS- there was a student who they were concerned might not solo by the time mandated. One of my friends also paid for a second dual xc before her solo xc for the extra practice.
Talking to one guy comming from Pensacola, he said the school that he did IFS with mandated that they would not fly on their own outside of IFS while they were in it. Even if that was the case, they could just wait until they are finished- especially the way so many of the schools that do IFS offer those PPL completer courses.
zippy said:
That's not a school-dependant thing... that's mandated in the IFS instruction. IFS students are not allowed to fly outside of the IFS program while enrolled.
If you're a SNA, from what I understand, it's just better to wait till you're winged... that way all you need is a test and a check ride and the Navy pays for your flight time... Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
TheBubba said:
Bubba,
You're right on that one. Once your winged you can just sit for the tests you need to get your civillian equivilants. It works out nice for the P-3 guys because they could tranisition right to an airline job if the really wanted to. (Assuming there are airline jobs.)
Bubba's right. IFS regs state you aren't allowed to fly outside of IFS. Now, whether or not people do it is another story. Someone made the point of being able to teach everyone to fly eventually, but the Navy wants to see if you have the aptitude to be able to do it in a certain number of flights, and that's probably the reasoning behind that policy.
As for soloing X-C, a friend of mine who went through IFS with me and I were talking about it a couple of nights ago. Looking back on it, we can't believe they let us have a plane by ourselves and take it X-C at like ~18-20 hours of flight time. I'm sure it varies a bit, but I went through IFS at Quantico and I did not know a SINGLE emergency procedure. Not one. All I was taught was how to take off, basic airwork, and how to land (somewhat). Basically, the bare bones crap you need if EVERYTHING works perfectly throughout the whole flight. If absolutely anything out of the ordinary would have happened, I would have been f*cked. My instruction in the case of an emergency was literally "Grass, Gas," as in, find a landing site and then try to figure out what's wrong. The way IFS is run, it was just a matter of time. As far as knee-jerk reactions go, get used to it.
As for soloing X-C, a friend of mine who went through IFS with me and I were talking about it a couple of nights ago. Looking back on it, we can't believe they let us have a plane by ourselves and take it X-C at like ~18-20 hours of flight time. I'm sure it varies a bit, but I went through IFS at Quantico and I did not know a SINGLE emergency procedure. Not one. All I was taught was how to take off, basic airwork, and how to land (somewhat). Basically, the bare bones crap you need if EVERYTHING works perfectly throughout the whole flight. If absolutely anything out of the ordinary would have happened, I would have been f*cked. My instruction in the case of an emergency was literally "Grass, Gas," as in, find a landing site and then try to figure out what's wrong. The way IFS is run, it was just a matter of time. As far as knee-jerk reactions go, get used to it.
powder said:
Interesting... maybe they changed the regs since i did it, or we just missed it (it was our schools first crack at IFS- they were very familiar with the Air Forces IFT program though).
powder said:
Yeah, same here- both at my IFS school and when i flew out of Quantico on my own... EPs were not something they focused on. (I think they only two questions i got asked, repeatedly, were 1) what would you do if you look outside and your wing is on fire and 2) what are you going to do if your radio fails outside of the ADIZ.) I know there are some schools out ther that drill their IFS students with them constantly- I think that is a good idea. I might stop by and mention it to Rex sometime while I'm home.
3RD,
I second the motion.
Now for my $.02:
The info that rat presented to us is prime info to be investigated when deciding if IFS'ers should do a real solo, and not the "ghost solo" that's been presented here.
Say for instance what rat said is true about the student (not saying it is), then what has too be looked at is what she did with the aircraft and if she was fit to solo at that time. If she wasn't, then the school needs to be looked into. Does this mean the whole idea of an X-C solo during IFS is flawed? Not neccessarily. Maybe its the school, maybe it was her, maybe its the program, maybe its a combonation of all.
I know a bunch of people who've solo'ed just fine. I know some who had an issue, but their CFI's made sure they knew the EP's for the aircraft, and they came out on top. Its a matter of knowing what to do in a certain situation.
As far as getting used to knee jerk reactions, I am... I've just felt the knee being jerked too many times.
I second the motion.
Now for my $.02:
The info that rat presented to us is prime info to be investigated when deciding if IFS'ers should do a real solo, and not the "ghost solo" that's been presented here.
Say for instance what rat said is true about the student (not saying it is), then what has too be looked at is what she did with the aircraft and if she was fit to solo at that time. If she wasn't, then the school needs to be looked into. Does this mean the whole idea of an X-C solo during IFS is flawed? Not neccessarily. Maybe its the school, maybe it was her, maybe its the program, maybe its a combonation of all.
I know a bunch of people who've solo'ed just fine. I know some who had an issue, but their CFI's made sure they knew the EP's for the aircraft, and they came out on top. Its a matter of knowing what to do in a certain situation.
As far as getting used to knee jerk reactions, I am... I've just felt the knee being jerked too many times.
pilot_man said:
Ok, you got me there. I didn't explain clearly enough that I wasn't just talking about aviation mishaps when I said, and quote:
I never said "most of the time crashes are caused by idiocy". But, it was ambiguous, as I didn't clearly state that I wasn't just talking about crashes. Yes, saying that most crashes are caused by idiocy is off-base and it wasn't what I wanted to imply. I was referring to things such as parasailing with homemade gear.
That being said, the original problem was SuperFly seeing "Milton crash" and "idiot" in the same post and completely disregarding anything else that was said.
