OCS 08APR2024 SNA/SNFO BOARD

[OGBean]

I posted my scores the other day at 40 5/8/6 3.0 for Bachelors and Masters, i couldn't make the april board so im going for June. Should i retake since i have the 4 months or should i still submit with those scores?

I would retake it.

 

[Mil3s]

I posted my scores the other day at 40 5/8/6 3.0 for Bachelors and Masters, i couldn't make the april board so im going for June. Should i retake since i have the 4 months or should i still submit with those scores?

I would plan to retake it and keep studying while keeping an eye on this boards result and see whether others with similar scores are picked up or not, and if so you could use those scores since you got a 8 PFAR.

 

[CaptainPattio]

Hey everyone, I have a pressing question for this upcoming board. I got LASIK done all the way back in December, and due to the way to paperwork got through I was only able to submit the ammendment to MEPs last week. My recruiter was saying that I may not make this board because it usually takes them 10 business days. I'm working with them to try and get this done sooner, but I would like to submit for this board because I am told my package is pretty competitive. Any advice from ex recruiters would be key here. They said I don't have to go back to MEPs, I just have to wait for this paperwork to go through. Also thanks for all the study tips on this site! I went from a 7/5/6 to a 6/8/7. Sucks to not have that first 7 anymore to skip the board but it is what it is.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Hey everyone, I have a pressing question for this upcoming board. I got LASIK done all the way back in December, and due to the way to paperwork got through I was only able to submit the ammendment to MEPs last week. My recruiter was saying that I may not make this board because it usually takes them 10 business days. I'm working with them to try and get this done sooner, but I would like to submit for this board because I am told my package is pretty competitive. Any advice from ex recruiters would be key here. They said I don't have to go back to MEPs, I just have to wait for this paperwork to go through. Also thanks for all the study tips on this site! I went from a 7/5/6 to a 6/8/7. Sucks to not have that first 7 anymore to skip the board but it is what it is.

You will not make this board, there is a 6 month wait from surgery to documents being reviewed by N33, what that means is they want to see the final doctors visit 6 months after your surgery date.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Interesting, I thought it was only Paul as the main guy before the board. I appreciate the insight!

He and the other processors are a vital part of the process, but they are also one of the lowest on the food chain at NRC.

 

[CaptainPattio]

You will not make this board, there is a 6 month wait from surgery to documents being reviewed by N33, what that means is they want to see the final doctors visit 6 months after your surgery date.
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Is N33 NAMI? Because they said I just need 30 days and 60 days after vision appointments and then to get approved by MEPs. That's why my recruiter is trying to get me on this board. And that's what an actual doctor in Florida told me. The 6 month wait is only for the actual visit down in Florida after OCS for the flight physical. Also I have been told not to retake with a 6/8/7 53 and a 3.3 with Mechanical Engineering. Has anyone retaken with my scores a third time and done better?

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Is N33 NAMI? Because they said I just need 30 days and 60 days after vision appointments and then to get approved by MEPs. That's why my recruiter is trying to get me on this board. And that's what an actual doctor in Florida told me. The 6 month wait is only for the actual visit down in Florida after OCS for the flight physical. Also I have been told not to retake with a 6/8/7 53 and a 3.3 with Mechanical Engineering. Has anyone retaken with my scores a third time and done better?

N33 is the the medical arm of NRC, they approve people to go to board and clear people for basic entry requirements to be an officer, MEPS does not clear or approve anyone they just administer the physical.

The process for civilians is MEPS for physical -> N33 for approval to be an officer -> NAMI for approval to be SNA/SNFO.

This is from the NAMI waiver guide for civilian applicants.

 

[Danger95]

I posted my scores the other day at 40 5/8/6 3.0 for Bachelors and Masters, i couldn't make the april board so im going for June. Should i retake since i have the 4 months or should i still submit with those scores?

Alright let me give my civilians friends a little bit of insight here. This is me speaking from my military experience. Almost every military board uses a 10 point scoring metric for board . Now with that being said the scores are not the only thing that plays a role in your packet now they are the ones that carry the most weight but it also caps out at a certain score so for example if you are going pilot and have an 8/9 pfar and let’s say the max is a 4 you automatically get a 4 out of 10 now gpa, higher education, leadership experience, also all contribute to your scores. Now the GPA that you see on the transcript is not what goes in your packet the recruiters uses a method to calculate gpa that no one knows and the reason for that is to level the playing field cause you have some guys that went to IVY leagues with 2.5’s and you got guys that went to university of phoenix with 4.0 in philosophy yea almost all colleges uses the same syllabus but the rigors aint the same. Also if you have a masters that’s a plus because as an officer you have to get your masters by the time you get to O4 so if you already have your masters you are ahead of the curve. Flying experience, leadership experience these all play minor roles in packets cause at the end of the day you are an officer and you have to prove you have what it takes to be an officer and a pilot. So if you have a good score and you have a good gpa, and good resume and your packet receives an 8 or 7 out of 10 and the cut off scores for that selection was a 6 congratulations you made it. Just giving everyone an insight into how military boards work from my experience take it with a grain of salt or sugar your preference.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Alright let me give my civilians friends a little bit of insight here. This is me speaking from my military experience. Almost every military board uses a 10 point scoring metric for board . Now with that being said the scores are not the only thing that plays a role in your packet now they are the ones that carry the most weight but it also caps out at a certain score so for example if you are going pilot and have an 8/9 pfar and let’s say the max is a 4 you automatically get a 4 out of 10 now gpa, higher education, leadership experience, also all contribute to your scores. Now the GPA that you see on the transcript is not what goes in your packet the recruiters uses a method to calculate gpa that no one knows and the reason for that is to level the playing field cause you have some guys that went to IVY leagues with 2.5’s and you got guys that went to university of phoenix with 4.0 in philosophy yea almost all colleges uses the same syllabus but the rigors aint the same. Also if you have a masters that’s a plus because as an officer you have to get your masters by the time you get to O4 so if you already have your masters you are ahead of the curve. Flying experience, leadership experience these all play minor roles in packets cause at the end of the day you are an officer and you have to prove you have what it takes to be an officer and a pilot. So if you have a good score and you have a good gpa, and good resume and your packet receives an 8 or 7 out of 10 and the cut off scores for that selection was a 6 congratulations you made it. Just giving everyone an insight into how military boards work from my experience take it with a grain of salt or sugar your preference.

This isn't how they do it at all.

The way the GPA is calculated is quite easy, there is no mystery behind it.

 

[Danger95]

This isn't how they do it at all.

The way the GPA is calculated is quite easy, there is no mystery behind it.

Might not be the exact way but I am willing to bet the system is still similar…again that’s why I said take it with a grain of salt or sugar I am only speaking from my personal experience.

 

[Mil3s]

This isn't how they do it at all.

The way the GPA is calculated is quite easy, there is no mystery behind it.

So quick question then on this topic, does your degree influence how they score your gpa at all? Like would a lower gpa stem degree be scored lower than a slightly higher gpa arts degree? if that makes any sense wording wise.

 

[Ninja]

Might not be the exact way but I am willing to bet the system is still similar…again that’s why I said take it with a grain of salt or sugar I am only speaking from my personal experience.

While not 100% out there, the forum has a fairly-confident stance on how it is scored due to past boards and individuals who have been involved in the process. Other branches may work slightly different but for the SNA/SNFO board it's (mostly) ASTB (PFAR weighed the highest) combined with GPA and then perhaps degree consideration. Other than that it seems the board generally doesn't care about much else as long as you have no major red flags or are somehow a 1:1 tie with someone else and than they need to look at something like LOR or other parts of the application.

 

[Empire16]

While not 100% out there, the forum has a fairly-confident stance on how it is scored due to past boards and individuals who have been involved in the process. Other branches may work slightly different but for the SNA/SNFO board it's (mostly) ASTB (PFAR weighed the highest) combined with GPA and then perhaps degree consideration. Other than that it seems the board generally doesn't care about much else as long as you have no major red flags or are somehow a 1:1 tie with someone else and than they need to look at something like LOR or other parts of the application.

How does it work when red flags are involved?

 

[Ninja]

How does it work when red flags are involved?

I personally don't know for sure, I've never been on the board nor have I been selected (yet, hopefully). But I just mean anything such as extra waivers, medical issues, clearance issues, and that genre of 'red flags' for a package. I'd assume as long as you get those things approved it wouldn't necessarily put you at a disadvantage to another applicant with the exact same score and gpa hypothetically. But certainly could impact how much 'some' recruiters want to go the extra mile for an applicant.

 

[Danger95]

That is a question for @exNavyOffRec since he has more experience than me on the Navy side of the house but the way the Army went about red flags on a case by case basis and length of period of incident. Now what I mean by that is one of my good friends got selected for WOFT and he had a DUI on his record from 10 years prior I also know of other incidents like that.