Now you're just spouting nonsense. The Navy and Marine Corps awards manual, within which the criteria are denoted, are signed out by SECNAV. We all note your views on the matter. Nobody cares.
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NEWS Seahawks Sink Houthi Boats
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It literally does.
I mean...sounds a lot like what Marines faced in Iraq and Afghanistan when you put it that way.
Actually it kinda is in several ways and even worse in some, we are just much better prepared for it. It also doesn't mean that things can't go wrong either at any time.
While you may have seen some briefs on what has occurred I am not certain you are aware of the size and scope of what has happened over the past year. It has not been a handful of incidents but a steady stream that continues to the present. And while the weapons used don't have the sophistication or capability of the latest Chinese systems, they ain't all broke dick 'hand-me-downs' either.
Would I be remiss in pointing out that you're the one that dredged up this dead horse?
The irony of your argument is that if the Marines, as an institution, were as keen as you are on the criteria for recognizing participation in combat action I am sure the SECNAV would at least consider a proposal for a Marine-specific one. Guess that would be one less thing to complain about then though, and argue about on the internets.
Seems as good a place as any to post this…the Israelis are taking advantage of the changes in Syria and have destroyed their navy and significant weapons stockpiles.
I agree on all parts, with the caveat that it isn't just the Navy. There is a good amount of USAF/ANG aviation and intel integration across the entire kill chain.
IMO, this fight is only going to get bigger. The scenario in Yemen draws comparison to the Tripolitan wars.
Based on your comments, I think you're missing a large chunk of what's going on in the area. I suggest to wade into the high side pool and read the AARs, as well as the memos going back and forth between Flag Officers and our Civilian Leadership.
And why do you care what awards other people get?
Smart move. I saw that they destroyed most of the remaining aircraft and SAM systems. Maybe we can sell our A-10s to the new Syrian regime.
There's videos of the PKK trucking out SA-17/SA-27 systems...Smart move. I saw that they destroyed most of the remaining aircraft and SAM systems. Maybe we can sell our A-10s to the new Syrian regime.
Nah…they’d want our Zombie Vikings as part of the deal…and we are holding on to those.Smart move. I saw that they destroyed most of the remaining aircraft and SAM systems. Maybe we can sell our A-10s to the new Syrian regime.
Certainly, lots of folks taking part even beyond the US with allies pitching in as well.
Oh okay, I’m glad we all know that our individual personal and unit awards aren’t actually all signed by the SECNAV. Thanks for clearing up the confusion, Brett! Way to encourage posting on the forum by giving yet another pretentious response.
Exactly… and the Marines and Army got absolutely drubbed for the better part of two decades in combat during that period after spiking the football in OIF and OEF. One (OIF) of which had nebulous outcomes and the other (OEF) ended up as a catastrophe. Maybe we shouldn’t be so quick to pat ourselves on the back against a third rate military - at best.
It’s not crazy to think the Navy shouldn’t be awarding combat action ribbons to people on a comparable level to Seals, EOD, Marines and other combat arms units in these situations. Perhaps “sea combat” should be distinct from other awards. Much akin to air medal points system.
Because it matters to people who have endured and sacrificed on a much greater scale/intensity. I won’t apologize for raising flags about the dilution of awards. Why do we care about stolen valor? Similar reasons, because those awards mean much more than just the cloth and metal they’re printed out on.
The same could be said for the Purple Heart, with the same medal being used for wounds from a 'scratch' to losing a limb or life.
The CAR has always been awarded with the same criteria since its inception, it hasn't been diluted or watered down at all.
I get why the Israelis did it - who knows who'll come out on top in the new regime and how they'll feel about Israel, or it winds up like Libya, the goodies get scattered into the arms black market and the intel agencies spend the next ten years tracking them down - so may as well take them out while they can. I do think it creates a potential vulnerability though. Eventually the new regime is going to want to rearm. Say maybe the Russians offer them a good deal in exchange for letting them keep Tartus and Khmeimim.Smart move. I saw that they destroyed most of the remaining aircraft and SAM systems. Maybe we can sell our A-10s to the new Syrian regime.
NAS Kheimim, anybody?
Okay I get it Flash, The Navy can keep doing what it always does and not change - and we can agree to disagree. You guys are in for a massive culture shock when the next big war happens.
Finders Keepers?