NEWS Seahawks Sink Houthi Boats

[Hotdogs]

Dude. Let.it.go.

God forbid somebody dare state something that opposes someone’s reality.

What’s next? Everyone’s head going to explode when I tell them that carriers are headed for the trash bin as the center piece of naval warfare?

 

[ea6bflyr]

God forbid somebody dare state something that opposes someone’s reality.

What’s next? Everyone’s head going to explode when I tell them that carriers are headed for the trash bin as the center piece of naval warfare?

You have no control over military awards. Well, I guess you could write your elected officials, but I'm assuming that will result in a dead end.

If you're just here to complain, like others have said, noted. Done...Move along. End of story.

 

[Spekkio]

Okay I get it Flash, The Navy can keep doing what it always does and not change - and we can agree to disagree. You guys are in for a massive culture shock when the next big war happens.

Wars are fought on land. The Navy has been, and always will be, a supporting effort. I recognize that opinion / reality is very unpopular these days IRT the state of the Pacific.

 

[Bad_Karma_1310]

Wars are fought on land. The Navy has been, and always will be, a supporting effort. I recognize that opinion / reality is very unpopular these days IRT the state of the Pacific.

Well this is just a bunch of bullshit.

 

[Brett327]

Wars are fought on land. The Navy has been, and always will be, a supporting effort. I recognize that opinion / reality is very unpopular these days IRT the state of the Pacific.

I think a more precise statement would be that wars are (usually) fought over land/territory, but are fought on any number of domains.

 

[IKE]

Wars are fought on land. The Navy has been, and always will be, a supporting effort. I recognize that opinion / reality is very unpopular these days IRT the state of the Pacific.

Counterpoint:

 

[Flash]

Okay I get it Flash, The Navy can keep doing what it always does and not change - and we can agree to disagree. You guys are in for a massive culture shock when the next big war happens.

If we go to war with China everyone is in for a massive culture shock.

 

[Griz882]

Wars are fought on land. The Navy has been, and always will be, a supporting effort. I recognize that opinion / reality is very unpopular these days IRT the state of the Pacific.

I disagree…we could theoretically fight a war, and win, against China and never invade Chinese soil. The primary “surprises” we’ll face is the fact that we’ll need new (and very basic) weapon systems very quickly. The contemporary model of taking 15 years to design and field a single fighter type simply won’t work.

 

[Griz882]

….massive culture shock.

As it began, so shall it end.

 

[Swanee]

Oh okay, I’m glad we all know that our individual personal and unit awards aren’t actually all signed by the SECNAV. Thanks for clearing up the confusion, Brett! Way to encourage posting on the forum by giving yet another pretentious response.



Exactly… and the Marines and Army got absolutely drubbed for the better part of two decades in combat during that period after spiking the football in OIF and OEF. One (OIF) of which had nebulous outcomes and the other (OEF) ended up as a catastrophe. Maybe we shouldn’t be so quick to pat ourselves on the back against a third rate military - at best.

It’s not crazy to think the Navy shouldn’t be awarding combat action ribbons to people on a comparable level to Seals, EOD, Marines and other combat arms units in these situations. Perhaps “sea combat” should be distinct from other awards. Much akin to air medal points system.



Because it matters to people who have endured and sacrificed on a much greater scale/intensity. I won’t apologize for raising flags about the dilution of awards. Why do we care about stolen valor? Similar reasons, because those awards mean much more than just the cloth and metal they’re printed out on.

There is no dilution, this nature of warfare is different from your GWOT in AFG or Iraq or Syria. Stop gate keeping.

 

[Hotdogs]

There is no dilution, this nature of warfare is different from your GWOT in AFG or Iraq or Syria. Stop gate keeping.

They’re called standards.

 

[Hotdogs]

I disagree…we could theoretically fight a war, and win, against China and never invade Chinese soil.

The conflict against China revolves around an island. Not the mainland, and yes control of that island is critical. We could theoretically defeat the entirety of the PLAN and threat of mainland PRC controlled China would still exist.

Well this is just a bunch of bullshit.

Not really. In high intensity conflict - Land warfare is decisive. Naval and airpower determine how long or short a conflict can last. Not a single major war in history has ended without the threat of a spear, sword, or gun pointed at the end of the opponent. We’ve learned this lesson the hard way numerous times. The only other debate is over Nuclear warfare, and I don’t think we want to find out that answer.

 

[Brett327]

This whole debate reminds me of how some of the TOPGUN Hitler Youth reacted when Growlers got A/A weapons. It was as though someone had simultaneously stolen their Halloween candy and cancelled Christmas. The pouting and foot stomping was fairly pathetic.

 

[Griz882]

This whole debate reminds me of how some of the TOPGUN Hitler Youth reacted when Growlers got A/A weapons. It was as though someone had simultaneously stolen their Halloween candy and cancelled Christmas. The pouting and foot stomping was fairly pathetic.

 

[Hotdogs]

This whole debate reminds me of how some of the TOPGUN Hitler Youth reacted when Growlers got A/A weapons. It was as though someone had simultaneously stolen their Halloween candy and cancelled Christmas. The pouting and foot stomping was fairly pathetic.

You want to let it go Brett? or do you want me to keep tipping in on this wagon wheel?