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Service member being an idiot
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magnetfreezer
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Total off-base drinking ban now (as well as breathalyzers leaving base): http://www.stripes.com/news/off-base-drinking-ban-imposed-for-okinawa-servicemembers-1.198968. Last call at 2200 for on-base establishments as well.
There goes First Friday....
Harrier Dude
Living the dream
Thank God that problem is solved. Why didn't somebody think of this before? Surely this will fix it. If not, I say we pass it down to our NCOs for some small unit leadership.
After a pair of 'minor' incidents the local USAF unit here is dry here too, I fortunately do not fall under their purview though.......
I'm wondering about the whole pedestrians being tested thing after reading that article. Say I go to the Kadena O club and get shit faced (before 2200) and I stumble back to 324 and some AF SF type "pulls me over," do I get in trouble?
magnetfreezer
Well-Known Member
Looks like the pedestrian/passenger/driver breathalizing is on the way out of base; at least according to the AF public announcements, the intent is to keep drivers with a BAC>0.03 (the Japanese limit) from leaving; intoxicated pax/pedestrians will be allowed to leave but are only allowed to go to directly to their off base residence or another military base.
That being said, depending on the base cop mentality, public intox could be a factor. Occasionally cops at stateside AF pilot training bases would hide in the bushes/etc between the O'Clubs and student pilot dorms hoping to write people up for public intox as they did the right thing and walked back from the club. Then the base leadership wondered why the clubs were losing money and nobody went to them (after the flying squadrons all built their own bars).
I may be off-base here, but I suspect that an intended 'side-effect' of the total ban, is a reminder to the locals that a good portion of their economy is fueled by US military $$$! I remember back in the day, local NAS personnel were being hassled constantly by speed traps, and excessive fines rough handling by local cops & courts. As back then, military paydays were in cash, paymasters were instructed to include a significant number of $2 bills in each payout. This to re-remind the locals from where much of their cash inflow originated. After 2 or 3 'adjusted' bi-weekly paydays, the situation slowly resolved itself!
The locals may hate us & want us out, but I'm sure that in the meantime, they have no problem accepting our Y-cash!
BzB
I may be off-base here, but I suspect that an intended 'side-effect' of the total ban, is a reminder to the locals that a good portion of their economy is fueled by US military $$$! I remember back in the day, local NAS personnel were being hassled constantly by speed traps, and excessive fines rough handling by local cops & courts. As back then, military paydays were in cash, paymasters were instructed to include a significant number of $2 bills in each payout. This to re-remind the locals from where much of their cash inflow originated. After 2 or 3 'adjusted' bi-weekly paydays, the situation slowly resolved itself!
The locals may hate us & want us out, but I'm sure that in the meantime, they have no problem accepting our Y-cash!
BzB
No kidding.
Photographic evidence: http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-power-of-japanese-marketplace.html
Not for everyone.
How is this? You can even see it in the CDR Salamander blog. You can't impose a curfew on US citizens on US soil. It isn't legal. No matter how bad they think their subordinates need it. I give up...
I wish I would have known that during basic training, AIT, OCS, when I was at NTC, JRTC and many other stateside deployments. I could have told my command right where they could stick that curfew. Or I could realize that yes, the military can impose a curfew on a US military member on US soil even if he is a US citizen.
phrogpilot73
Well-Known Member
Not without NJP.
Crap...GRENADE!...(thought to self: I'm gonna take one for the team...)
Lots of understandable frustration and "sea lawyer" comments here...and I totally get it. Mass punishment of the innocent totally sucks.
Now...what would/could YOU do (or recommend) if you were (and some day MAY be...) the brow-beaten 3-Star or whatever in charge of all US troops on foreign soil who continue to rape, pillage and plunder our allies or host nationals (or fellow US Cits), despite all of your best efforts to treat everyone like an individual adult?
Truly...the "individual accountability" thing ain't working...unless you recommend throwing out the SOFA protections and just let foreign courts do what they want with your troops. Don't think that's going to sell. So...what else?
You smart, educated, right-minded leaders who know better are all living in a world populated more numerically by "young, dumb and full of come" teenagers or worse. It's as much your problem to solve as it is that of senior leaders. Truly...if you have an idea...tell someone.
Lots of understandable frustration and "sea lawyer" comments here...and I totally get it. Mass punishment of the innocent totally sucks.
Now...what would/could YOU do (or recommend) if you were (and some day MAY be...) the brow-beaten 3-Star or whatever in charge of all US troops on foreign soil who continue to rape, pillage and plunder our allies or host nationals (or fellow US Cits), despite all of your best efforts to treat everyone like an individual adult?
Truly...the "individual accountability" thing ain't working...unless you recommend throwing out the SOFA protections and just let foreign courts do what they want with your troops. Don't think that's going to sell. So...what else?
You smart, educated, right-minded leaders who know better are all living in a world populated more numerically by "young, dumb and full of come" teenagers or worse. It's as much your problem to solve as it is that of senior leaders. Truly...if you have an idea...tell someone.