Summer vs Cold weather flyers jacket and the Service Uniform

[HuggyU2]

Chuck, you're right. It's the Massif everyone has, and which is now issued to the active duty aircrew. I had the terminology (e.g. APECS) wrong.
Thanks for the SA.

Elements™ Jacket - CWAS With Battleshield X® Fabric (FR)

The Elements™ Jacket - CWAS is another high-performance offering with Massif® Battleshield X® fabric, DuPont™ Nomex® brand fiber and Gore® FR stretch technology that prioritizes fit and functionality for a garment that performs when you do.

www.massif.com

 

[nittany03]

The -45P is too warm for Northern Kalifornia climates, but I still wear my old -36P regularly on the flightline.

This brought the mental picture to mind of someone in a big orange spacesuit trying to fit a green jacket over it, and I went "snerk."

 

[Swanee]

Chuck, you're right. It's the Massif everyone has, and which is now issued to the active duty aircrew. I had the terminology (e.g. APECS) wrong.
Thanks for the SA.

Elements™ Jacket - CWAS With Battleshield X® Fabric (FR)

The Elements™ Jacket - CWAS is another high-performance offering with Massif® Battleshield X® fabric, DuPont™ Nomex® brand fiber and Gore® FR stretch technology that prioritizes fit and functionality for a garment that performs when you do.

www.massif.com

630 bucks for a cold weather uniform jacket.

As noted earlier, the AF was smart with boots- buy whatever you want just make sure they're coyote brown. I wish they would with cold weather gear.

I am sure I could find a Columbia jacket for 150 bucks that works better than this, with a zip out fleece liner, tougher material, much more weatherproof, and will last longer. Oh wait, I did. I get it, it's not flight rated, but who is flying in those anyway.

Instead we're still sitting here in Battle Creek with a thin fleece and a hand me down fleece PolarTec cap that has an EGA and USMC on the inside of it.

 

[ChuckMK23]

Chuck, you're right. It's the Massif everyone has, and which is now issued to the active duty aircrew. I had the terminology (e.g. APECS) wrong.
Thanks for the SA.

Elements™ Jacket - CWAS With Battleshield X® Fabric (FR)

The Elements™ Jacket - CWAS is another high-performance offering with Massif® Battleshield X® fabric, DuPont™ Nomex® brand fiber and Gore® FR stretch technology that prioritizes fit and functionality for a garment that performs when you do.

www.massif.com

$446.04 if you register with a .mil email address. I tried on a number of these and the cut is pretty generous. The FM folks tell us "there's money" now I just have to convince our LG to break out the gov purchasing card.

 

[Odominable]

Not defending the price, but that Massif jacket might be the best piece of issued gear I’ve ever had.

 

[wink]

Not defending the price, but that Massif jacket might be the best piece of issued gear I’ve ever had.

I keep hearing that. Never seen one. Isn't just a fancy fleece jacket? Big deal. What @Swanee said.

 

[ChuckMK23]

I keep hearing that. Never seen one. Isn't just a fancy fleece jacket? Big deal. What @Swanee said.

Soft shell material with gore-tex like barrier. Cut slightly longer, to go below waist. Warm, lightweight and also FR - kind of an all climate flight jacket. ID tabs on shoulder. Pencil pocket on lower sleeves. Berry compliant and - way better than the older FR "fleece" I think. Honestly a premium piece of gear.

 

[sevenhelmet]

Looks nice. I never had the pull with Supply to get one. Enjoy!

 

[Waveoff]

Everyone in my squadron is issued the NAVAIR version without the right breast chest patch, but the commodore wears the one above so really I don't think anyone would care as long as you don't look bad. The ground-Os have been getting supply to order the black ones as well to wear over the NWUs.

 

[nittany03]

Looks nice. I never had the pull with Supply to get one. Enjoy!

This is a phrase that needs to be banished into the netherworlds of hell upon pain of public shame and humiliation to any Chop or MMCO that causes it to be used. I get that budgets are sometimes a thing, but you either rate gear or you don't. Arguably a CO should be either signing off on buying that kind of stuff for the entire ready room, or none of them. None of this buddy-bro-hookup bullshit.

 

[BarryD]

Soft shell material with gore-tex like barrier. Cut slightly longer, to go below waist. Warm, lightweight and also FR - kind of an all climate flight jacket. ID tabs on shoulder. Pencil pocket on lower sleeves. Berry compliant and - way better than the older FR "fleece" I think. Honestly a premium piece of gear.

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This is now issued in NIFE.

 

[nittany03]

This is now issued in NIFE.

Massif jackets issued, brown boots issued . . . rabble rabble something something get off my lawn, Zoomer. You don't know how good you have it! ?

 

[ChuckMK23]

Massif jackets issued, brown boots issued . . . rabble rabble something something get off my lawn, Zoomer. You don't know how good you have it! ?

Until you see an AF 2nd Lt in UPT...lol

 

[nittany03]

Until you see an AF 2nd Lt in UPT...lol

Yeah, but that comes with the problem of being a butter bar who's unfortunately in the Air Force, and unfortunately being hazed 12 hours a day in their version of flight school. Looking back, hard pass. I'd for sure take it over never having the chance to be winged at all, but that's about it.

 

[HuggyU2]

Yeah, but that comes with the problem of being a butter bar who's unfortunately in the Air Force, and unfortunately being hazed 12 hours a day in their version of flight school. Looking back, hard pass.

I'd go back in a heartbeat. What a fantastic 52 weeks it was.

Also take note that most of the guys (and gal) in my UPT class were done with follow-on training and at their operational units before they made O-2.

Last I heard, it took the Navy four years to make that happen for some pipelines. True? If so, talk about a haze!