The British Will Continue To Be Attacked

[flashypants]

It is just a big thing to be so sure of. Where I come from, if I say something like that, I get my ass kicked... that's all.

Maybe your dad just doesn't like you. Zing!

 

[Fly Navy]

It is just a big thing to be so sure of. Where I come from, if I say something like that, I get my ass kicked... that's all.

It's not a question of if, it's a question of when. Tell those that would kick your a$$ to grow up. Welcome to the real world.

A blanket statement is "all Germans are Nazis". Not "the USA will be attacked again".

 

[eddie]

It's not a question of if, it's a question of when. Tell those that would kick your a$$ to grow up. Welcome to the real world.

A blanket statement is "all Germans are Nazis". Not "the USA will be attacked again".

The subject matter is irrelevant... nobody needs to grow up here. And yes, they are both blanket statments... if you can't see that, well... Feel free to PM me.

 

[flashypants]

The subject matter is irrelevant... nobody needs to grow up here. And yes, they are both blanket statments... if you can't see that, well... Feel free to PM me.

I've gotta agree with Fly on this one. It is not a blanket statement, it's speculation. A blanket statement is something like, "All Marines ever talk about is, 'this one time, at TBS...'" :icon_smil

 

[Fly Navy]

I've gotta agree with Fly on this one. It is not a blanket statement, it's speculation. A blanket statement is something like, "All Marines ever talk about is, 'this one time, at TBS...'" :icon_smil

Excuse me, nothing I say is speculation. It's pure fact.

And you are correct.

 

[makana]

...there have been many British Soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq...we have always been beside you....always....we are trying to fight our terrorism in our own way.....it might not be the way that you would fight it...meaning the american way...but we are a different culture...we all want the same result...believe me we do...just try to be behind the UK..dont rush to conclusions...

Most of us on here who pay any attention to international relations know that Britain is like the U.S's litte (but older) brother. A very close relationship for many decades. Now, if you came on here and said you were French spouting the same stuff, you would run into a bit of contention.

Also, like Fly said, unfortunately, the UK and the US will continue to be bombed and terrorized. Hopefully, future incidents will not be as spectacular as 9/11 or even the London bombings. That is not wishing ill on either country, just stating a very real speculation in this war on terrorism. But as long as our free, democratic societies allow these radical clerics to continue, their ideology will not become any more civilized. When an authority figure promotes, condones, or does not publicly oppose such savage acts, then that is exactly what you end up with: Savages! :icon_rage

 

[sirenia]

Technically, according to Islamic law, any translation of the Koran is not actually THE Koran but considered to be an interpretation of the Koran (and if you know anything about the Arabic language, you can see why they feel that way). Only the actual Arabic Koran is THE Koran.

And I have two different translations/interpretations of the Koran at home that seem to have two very different messages. One is certainly a little more bloodthirsty where the "infidel" is concerned, but both seem to give more of an impression of "kill them if they mess with you" rather than "seek them out and kill them." And both focus more on charity than anything else. But like I said, they're both just interpretations.

Agreed here Cate. Anything not in Arabic is strictly an interpretation of the Qur'an due more to the firm belief that Arabic is the language of Allah than the complexity of the Arabic language. Also, according to both the Qur'an and the Qur'an based Shar'ia [which has lately been subject to some distasteful interpretations] dealings with the "infidels" or as they are more commonly known in the book, People of the Book (dhimmis), are to be charitable. Historically, in cases where Muslims were in power and exercised authority over Christian, Jewish, or Hindu subjects, they (dhimmis) were charged an extra tax. That was the extent to which their mistreatment was sanctioned.

Extremists are going overboard with their interpretations of both codified texts. They don't care whether fellow Muslims get hurt in the process or not, suggesting that their motives are far from "saving the faith from the infidels." Majority of the Muslims are just as victimized by their acts as others.

As to why the Muslim community as a whole doesn't vehemently speak out against terrorism is a very complicated issue, beginning with the fact that there isn't a single "Muslim community." Various sects are perpetually in conflict with one another and rarely join forces to rally for a good cause. The fatwa issued by the Muslim leaders in US is a start, however. But since these Muslims' religious identities are subsumed under their nationality, American, by the extremists, I doubt it will have any effect on the state of things. If they speak out against terror, they become the victims of extremists. If they don't speak out, the rest of the world looks at them unfavorably.

I agree, though, that it is high time that all Muslim nations and communities got together to seek and destroy terrorism, despite their differences with one another.

 

[Fly Navy]

As to why the Muslim community as a whole doesn't vehemently speak out against terrorism is a very complicated issue, beginning with the fact that there isn't a single "Muslim community." Various sects are perpetually in conflict with one another and rarely join forces to rally for a good cause. The fatwa issued by the Muslim leaders in US is a start, however. But since these Muslims' religious identities are subsumed under their nationality, American, by the extremists, I doubt it will have any effect on the state of things. If they speak out against terror, they become the victims of extremists. If they don't speak out, the rest of the world looks at them unfavorably.

Too little, too late. Still haven't seen any action.

I agree, though, that it is high time that all Muslim nations and communities got together to seek and destroy terrorism, despite their differences with one another.

No interest. Many hate the USA. Take the Saudis for example. Now, muslims in this country certainly need to step up to the plate. Definitely agreed.

 

[makana]

Agreed here Cate. Anything not in Arabic is strictly an interpretation of the Qur'an due more to the firm belief that Arabic is the language of Allah than the complexity of the Arabic language. Also, according to both the Qur'an and the Qur'an based Shar'ia [which has lately been subject to some distasteful interpretations] dealings with the "infidels" or as they are more commonly known in the book, People of the Book (dhimmis), are to be charitable. Historically, in cases where Muslims were in power and exercised authority over Christian, Jewish, or Hindu subjects, they (dhimmis) were charged an extra tax. That was the extent to which their mistreatment was sanctioned.

Extremists are going overboard with their interpretations of both codified texts. They don't care whether fellow Muslims get hurt in the process or not, suggesting that their motives are far from "saving the faith from the infidels." Majority of the Muslims are just as victimized by their acts as others.

As to why the Muslim community as a whole doesn't vehemently speak out against terrorism is a very complicated issue, beginning with the fact that there isn't a single "Muslim community." Various sects are perpetually in conflict with one another and rarely join forces to rally for a good cause. The fatwa issued by the Muslim leaders in US is a start, however. But since these Muslims' religious identities are subsumed under their nationality, American, by the extremists, I doubt it will have any effect on the state of things.

Sounds like someone has done a little homework.

If they speak out against terror, they become the victims of extremists. If they don't speak out, the rest of the world looks at them unfavorably.

I agree, though, that it is high time that all Muslim nations and communities got together to seek and destroy terrorism, despite their differences with one another.

Obviously, "speaking out" is not enough. It would be nice though simply to reassure the rest of the world whose side they are on. As for becoming victims, tough sh!t, welcome to the world of the 'infidels'. If I remember correctly, one of Bush's great quotes goes something like, "You are either with us or against us." The ball is in the Muslim community's court to make that decision.

 

[Fly Navy]

Sounds like someone has done a little homework.

Obviously, "speaking out" is not enough. It would be nice though simply to reassure the rest of the world whose side they are on. As for becoming victims, tough sh!t, welcome to the world of the 'infidels'. If I remember correctly, one of Bush's great quotes goes something like, "You are either with us or against us." The ball is in the Muslim community's court to make that decision.

As Bruce Willis said in Die Hard: "Welcome to the party, pal!"

 

[T-man]

As to why the Muslim community as a whole doesn't vehemently speak out against terrorism is a very complicated issue, beginning with the fact that there isn't a single "Muslim community." Various sects are perpetually in conflict with one another and rarely join forces to rally for a good cause.

Slight thread jack, but this struck me and I find it kind of interesting. This sounds frighteningly similar to another large religious group here in the US... re-read that statement, and replace the word Muslim with Christain.

 

[Fly Navy]

Are you saying Christians aren't speaking out against terrorism?

 

[Ryoukai]

Somebody should let Mossad loose in England. This thing would get wrapped up by the end of the week.

 

[Fly Navy]

Somebody should let Mossad loose in England. This thing would get wrapped up by the end of the week.

I'd be willing to bet they are already there and have been for a long time.

 

[Flash]

Somebody should let Mossad loose in England. This thing would get wrapped up by the end of the week.

I think that the British police and MI5, the agency that deals with internal security http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MI5 , have done an admirable job. The Mossad is good but they are not the omnipotent entitiy that people think they are, they even screw up spectacularly every so often http://slate.msn.com/id/1074/ . Most importantly, even though they might be effective, the Mossad and Shin Bet, the internel security organization for Israel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Bet , were unable to prevent the deaths of over a thousand of their countrymen in the latest Palestinian uprising.

P.S. I am not the greatest fan of Israeli intelligence when it comes to targeting the US, they are extremely aggressive and arrogant when doing it. They are still trying to get Pollard out of jail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard