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The British Will Continue To Be Attacked

eddie

Working Plan B
Contributor
T-man said:
Slight thread jack, but this struck me and I find it kind of interesting. This sounds frighteningly similar to another large religious group here in the US... re-read that statement, and replace the word Muslim with Christain. :)
T-Man... didn't we already discuss that in the religions thread? :spin_125: ;)
 

T-man

Registered User
Fly Navy said:
Are you saying Christians aren't speaking out against terrorism?

Not at all - read it as a general statement as apposed to a statement about speaking out against terrorism. It seems the different christian denominations (sects) spend more time bickering amongst themselves about who's right/wrong in their beliefs than actually agreeing, discussing, or speaking out on world/life affecting issues.


eddie said:
T-Man... didn't we already discuss that in the religions thread?

I don't recall anything like this being said in the other thread, but I could be mistaken.
 

phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
pilot
Super Moderator
We are just as PC insane as anyone else:

NYCLU sues city over subway searches


BY JOSHUA ROBIN and DAN JANISON
STAFF WRITERS

August 4, 2005

The New York Civil Liberties Union will file suit against the city Thursday to keep police from searching the bags of passengers entering the subway, organization lawyers said.

The suit, which will be filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, will claim that the two-week old policy violates constitutional guarantees of equal protection and prohibitions against unlawful searches and seizures, while doing almost nothing to shield the city from terrorism.

It argues that the measure also allows the possibility for racial profiling, even though officers are ordered to randomly screen passengers.

"While concerns about terrorism of course justify -- indeed, require -- aggressive police tactics, those concerns cannot justify the Police Department's unprecedented policy of subjecting millions of innocent people to suspicionless searches," states the suit, a partial copy of which was provided to Newsday.

Names of the plaintiffs -- subway riders who object to the searches -- were redacted in the copy, but are expected to be released Thursday morning.

A city Law Department spokeswoman said that since officials had not yet received the suit, she could not yet comment.

The city is named as a defendant, along with the police department and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly.

Thursday, before the suit was released, Kelly said that the searches were "just one more layer, one more tool."

"No one thinks that will be the solution, but it does give a potential terrorist something more to think about," he said.

The civil liberties union has criticized the searches as over-reaching since Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced the measure on July 21, after terrorists targeted London's mass transit system for the second time in two weeks. It also calls the stops ineffective because terrorists can walk through entrances where police are not screening.

The U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the right of law enforcement to conduct random searches, said Barry Kamins, a professor of criminal procedure at Fordham and Brooklyn law schools. But it found that those checks can be considered unlawful if their primary purpose is for law enforcement, such as searching for evidence of a crime. Rather, police must use the stops chiefly to preserve public safety, he said.

The suit comes as elected officials continue to tussled over racial profiling. Nine City Council members Thursday asked Bloomberg to direct officers to note the racial or ethnic identity of people searched.

The call came after a city councilman and a state assemblyman suggested young Arabs should be targeted for searches to prevent terror attacks.

Robert Lawson, a Bloomberg spokesman, said that the police already have adequate safeguards. "The mayor has repeatedly stated since the start of this policy that there would be zero tolerance for racial profiling," Lawson added.

If only we would profile by race, gender, and nationality. The left always brings out the business that there have been female suicide bombers in Israel. If we force Al Qaeda to recruit from female caucasians vice Arab males 20-30, we're making their job that much harder. A terrorist attack occuring follows the "Swiss cheese" model found in mishap investigations. If you interrupt the chain anywhere from planning to execution, you can stop the act. Fill in what holes you can, and the likelihood of the Swiss cheese holes lining up goes way down.
 

Fly Navy

...Great Job!
pilot
Super Moderator
Contributor
Any organization with the words "Civil Liberties" in it is automatically suspect. ACLU anyone? Sounds real nice in a title, but they're usually a threat to actual civil liberties and freedoms.
 

gregsivers

damn homeowners' associations
pilot
Fly Navy said:
Any organization with the words "Civil Liberties" in it is automatically suspect. ACLU anyone? Sounds real nice in a title, but they're usually a threat to actual civil liberties and freedoms.

9 times out of ten thats a guarantee.
 

Lawman

Well-Known Member
None
Fly Navy said:
Any organization with the words "Civil Liberties" in it is automatically suspect. ACLU anyone? Sounds real nice in a title, but they're usually a threat to actual civil liberties and freedoms.

"Someone on Private Property reguardless that it is in a known drug nieghborhood who cant identify who or why they are there should not have to show you thier ID so you can check them for Warrants."

- Paraphrasing of an Actual statement from a letter written to my company by an ACLU affiliate on behaf of a guy we arrested. It made for an interesting Executive Memo.
 
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