I am aware and it is time to get that capability back. I am all for a strong Ukraine, but it will take a period of peace to get there.
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The end of NATO?
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Going back to the original post, POTUS is fracturing our alliances and his threats to leave NATO is not a great look for us. This is all at a time where China is looking at how we’d respond to a Taiwan invasion. The last peace deal he was involved in led to the Taliban taking power again.
What is the desired end-state? Cease fire now? Back to 2022 lines? Back to 2014 lines?
How are you going to achieve a desired end-state without US or European forces in combat while the Russians have at least a 4-1 personnel advantage?
And the US sending combat infantry is not going to happen.
How are you going to achieve a desired end-state without US or European forces in combat while the Russians have at least a 4-1 personnel advantage?
And the US sending combat infantry is not going to happen.
I’ll say it again. If NATO is so weak that 100 days of bombast (not action, words) can rip it apart it wasn’t much of an organization. As for Afghanistan, you probably forgot (oh never mind, you never knew because why bother learning something?) that the peace process there changed direction with the Ghani election and the end of the APRP in 2014. That’s when Mr. Obama announced that all U.S. forces would leave Afghanistan by 2024. This was followed by the Gulbuddin Agreement which, in turn, led to the People’s Peace Movement. That eventually triggered the end of the ISAF (NATO) commitment to Afghanistan. This, in turn, led to the US - Afghan Peace meetings that, anchored on Obama’s announcement of a 2024 final departure, came to an agreement. The Taliban screwed the deal after the talks and the U.S. amped up the air war, but stuck with the ROE defined by deal. It was the decision by Biden to withdrawal US forces when he did and the decision was executed poorly.
That’s the million dollar question. To be clear, Putin’s Russia can afford to keep fighting, but they aren’t fairing well in a global military power sense. If US businesses bite on the Ukrainian minerals deal then it is more likely the U.S. will help rearm and train a better Ukrainian military. Trump has said (and could be lying) that Putin will accept a European peace keeping force. If that is the case then we might see a return to 2022 borders with Ukraine surrendering their Kursk advances. The hardest pill to swallow will probably be a demand that Ukraine acknowledge the new borders and agree to Russian sovereignty over the Donbas and Crimea. No NATO for Ukraine but EU membership in a few years, and likely some sanctions lifted on Russia.
With the talk of Panama and to an extent Greenland, it would suggest a revival of the Monroe Doctrine.
As for China and Russia, the last thing you want is the limitless mineral resources of Russia tightly allied with the massive Chinese industrial base (thank you free traders…), yet that is what 4 years of the previous administration’s policies managed to do. As China is far and away the more serious threat, it wouldn’t be unanticipated that overtures are made to the Russians. Not good for Ukraine.
As for Europe, they have 4 times the population and 10 times the GDP of Russia.
If you think my criticism of tweets like this is childish and partisan, then we may have different perspectives on politics:
It makes me ill watching people try to Trumpsplain that shit, either as 4D chess or just arguing it’s for the greater good.
I really wonder what Putin has on our POTUS.
Starting to think the piss tapes are real.
Despite my jab, I respect you calmly supporting your (unpopular) position in a bit of a riled up hornet's nest. The pacifist in me can appreciate the path to least violence. However, there is a path to pursue the optimal peace route without literally taking the side of the ultra-nationalist, authoritarian, aggressor.
What is the desired end-state? Cease fire now? Back to 2022 lines? Back to 2014 lines?
How are you going to achieve a desired end-state without US or European forces in combat while the Russians have at least a 4-1 personnel advantage?
And the US sending combat infantry is not going to happen.
The goal is to continue to defend an ally against our oldest adversary, and not capitulate. Instead of making our allies believe in us, we’re making our military whiter than a Rascal Flatts concert
In 2022, Russia Threatens nuclear war if Sweden or Finland joins NATO.
But then- Finland joins NATO as 31st ally in April of 2023.
As of Feb 26, 2025 I can't find an article that says Putin used nukes against anyone. Did he use nukes? Where are the nukes? It's been two years and not a single nuke.
The last time "they" even tested a nuke was Oct of 1990.
No one is really afraid of them using nukes. MAD still applies. The Israelis are more likely to use nukes than Putin.
Let's not kid ourselves. Trump has a hard-on for Putin. It's pretty embarrassing.
The “we would have to use our own forces in combat” is a red herring. We haven’t so far.
We (the West) should double down. This is a war of wills, to determine what kind of world we will have. Messy democracies? Or whatever you want to call Russia and China. Quoting…
A serious U.S. president would recognize that Putin is playing a very weak hand that we should exploit..In April 2022, following Russia’s retreat from the north of Ukraine, it controlled 19.6 percent of Ukrainian territory; its casualties (dead and wounded) were perhaps 20,000. Today Russia occupies 19.2 percent and its casualties are 800,000, reckon British sources… More than half of the 7,300 tanks [Russia] had in storage are gone. Of those that … The reallocation of resources from productive sectors to the military complex has fueled double-digit inflation. Interest rates are 21 percent.”
If this were poker, Putin is holding a pair of twos and bluffing by going all in. Trump, instead of calling Putin’s bluff, is saying, “I think I’ll fold.”
A Russian international affairs scholar, who can speak only privately, remarked to me from Moscow that Putin’s team sees Trump’s team as a clown car, full of amateurs — easy pickings for the savvy and cynical Putin’s ultimate goal: “MRGA — Make Russia Great Again (and Make America Less Great Again).”