Oh no….one might posit I’ve made a mess of a few!
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I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with you, but throwing a spear at your stat usage.
Means are sensitive to outliers. A few multi-millionaires decide to stick it out (or move to) Atlanta, and now the average income is higher for southern blacks than northern (what about western?). Have data on median black income by region? Or better yet, an actual distribution?
These are all amazing questions. I bet a little investment in some sort of academic discipline that Studies the African American experience with scholarly rigor might be able to shed some light.
Spekkio
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Good on you for giving back (seriously). But you have to realize that the 'small district, very small' of less than 3,000 kids does nothing to refute the aggregate data.
Means-tested subsidized school lunch was always available in the vast majority of school districts.
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Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
I admittedly should have used 'former slave states.'
@IKE, no, I can't find more detailed data on the subject. See earlier about my angst about funding research that goes against the status quo answers. But it's an unexpected result, both because of Jim Crow laws in the south and also because the average income in non-former slave states is higher in aggregate.
If the size of the district is the part of my post you're focused on, you're likely missing the larger point.
WRT means testing, that's a sure fire way to get fewer kids who need the assistance to actually get the assistance. In large part, the reason why grocery bags are delivered is so kids dont have to walk out of school with bags of groceries. If that nuance doesn't make sense - I dont know what to tell you.
Spekkio
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My issue isn't feeding children that need it. My issue is that for every district like the one you help out, there are at least 10 that are claiming that their children will starve without universal subsidized lunch despite having almost no one making household income beneath 150% of the poverty line.
I take issue with Karens trying to turn schools into makeshift food banks and using an appeal to emotion to gather allies. We don't even measure actual starvation, we measure 'food insecurity' and say that 1 in 5 kids (about 14M) are suffering. Meanwhile, the amount of children who are hospitilized from malnutrition each year is fewer than 100,000.
Ancillary to the issue, school lunch in most districts makes macaroni and fuckit look like a gourmet meal... although most kids would throw out something that was more nutritionally balanced. I could get a lot more onboard with universal school lunch if they routinely fed the children something I'd want my own kids to eat.
You know what can solve the stigma? You let every kid pay with a card or by giving their name. The parents who can afford lunch get sent a bill, and the parents who get subsidized lunch don't get sent a bill. Now no one can make fun of a kid for getting free lunch because no one will be the wiser unless the kid spills the beans.
There's definitively a cash grab by charity organizations and school districts here. That doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist, it means it's simply over-blown.
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Spekkio
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Yep.
Unfortunately, the issue is familiarity. Small adult anecdote: I grew up hating scrambled eggs. Always thought they were dry and tasteless. A few years ago, I was introduced to french scrambled eggs and realized that we (Americans) just burn the fuck out of them, which zaps away all of the flavor. Most Americans will turn their nose up at the french way of making them because they are 'way too under-done.'
Now take that same phenomenon and apply it to 10 year old children. American kids would react similarly to the French school lunch. "Crepes and mashed fruit?!?! We want chicken nuggets!"
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Just to ensure I understand your stance - nutrition for children is only worrisome if they are actively being hospitalized for malnutrition?
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
My stance is that the vast majority of 'food insecurity' is a combination of parental neglect and children being picky eaters, and that's not a problem we should be solving through education funding.
You're exceptionally comfortable ignoring experts in areas where their conclusions don't align with your preconceptions.
Anyhow, if anyone wants to talk about helicopter stuff I'll come back then.
Spekkio
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I'm comfortable questioning shitty data sets with nebulous terms that don't have empirical measurements associated with them.
I wonder if the E.U. will continue to be able to afford those fancy meals now that they apparently have to pay for their own defense? It is worth considering such things and following how things flesh out.