The mysteries of submarines.
On a separate note, I think this whole thing happened last year, and I am not sure why the press has resurrected it.
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Chinese sub surprises Navy
- Thread starter Mr. Blonde
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The mysteries of submarines.
On a separate note, I think this whole thing happened last year, and I am not sure why the press has resurrected it.
You've got some bad/old info. A diesel sub in the right hands can be lethal. Big time.
Who said they had to catch an aircraft carrier?
MasterBates
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What part of "choke point" is not understood here?
Patrick Robinson's novel titled "Nimitz Class" is a chillingly realistic portrayal of just how deadly an SSK (diesel powered attack sub) in the wrong hands can be.
**NEWS FLASH**
This just in: Outdated ultra-quiet submarine could possibly destroy us all.
This just in: Outdated ultra-quiet submarine could possibly destroy us all.
The amount of UNREPs we do, all over the world, you'd only have to have an Iranian P-3 fly over to figure when we were doing it and then, you've got so much noise in the water (and slowed ships) that you could roll over the horizon with a john deere and we wouldn't care...I'm with the BFD over this thing.
~D
Ah, yes, that august body of military journalism, the Daily Mail. Nothing the PLAN has done with their subs lately has surprised anyone who's been paying attention. As to our own ASW/USW skillz, well, that's another discussion and several classifications above this forum.
Is it as hard hitting as Down Periscope?
That masterpiece is far and away more dramatic and realistic than any book or movie about the navy has ever been. Ever. I would follow Tom Dodge to hell and back...
"LT.. you're almost out of uniform..."
F*cking classic.
Hozer is spot on. If anyone else wants moreof my rant, you need to find a way to hear about it via a different means of communication.
Seventh Fleet and CTF-70 spend a lot of time training for ASW. HS-14 has extra Foxtrots for the increased ASW. There are constant ASW exercises with both American and foreign subs. BTW I think this story was about an incident that happened a year ago and was in the press then.
What about CTF72 and CTF74?
Since I'm a hinge and have to dispense the kool-aid, I'll commend you for an excellent "company line". Hell, that should be a great PAO-esque rebuttal.
"Training for ASW" = boats on a rail with re-gen points on pre-determined routes with little to no free-play. I always think it interesting how crews go out on an ASW "mission" with only a dozen VLADS and manage miraculously to search, track, and conduct sim attacks.
When it's free play, we get smoked.
Exercises and pretty numbers showing the Commodore all this groovy contact time is great, getting the qual so your crews (most of which are ASW tards) can get their readiness up in hurry so they can get back to the overland business is great too.
So, as long as we have re-gen points for the ChiComs, we're good to go I guess. Fight like you train eh?
Just don't sell me my kool-aid back to me.
I agree... I did a Google news search, and the story only pops up a couple times on less than reputable news agencies. Also, if you read the articles from last year and the new ones, the details are almost exactly the same.
I agree that we could be much better at ASW, but WESTPAC ASW is much different than what I've heard guys talk about happens on the east coast (yourself included in the above posts). Yes, we need more allocation, yes, we need more practice, but there's a lot of ops in 7th fleet that are conducted, often times w/out the other team knowing (or at least w/out the intent of them knowing). Do "they" get away from us? Sure, see above, but ASW (oops, you said Kool-Aide...USW) is a high(er) priority in the Pacific than the standard "let's all go to the desert..." mantra of CONUS commands.