Maybe the article had a typo and LCDR Browning received a Hair Medal? 
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E-2/C-2 Life?
- Thread starter kappu411
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Definitely a Naval Flight Officer…not that there's anything wrong with that:
Proper CRM from an engaged, non-sandbagging member of the crew. With a mind that actually functions at over 30 knots . . . just sayin'.
Any SWOs mind functions at >30kts too from looking at consoles...no different than a Hawkeye NFO... except we actually can launch crap!
In terms of this incident though, it would be like giving a MSM to my E-3 QM (navigator) for helping in avoiding a grounding.
Not any that I've encountered professionally... Unfortunately...Most just chatted over to the CVN TAO or the DESRON for direction on what to do.
Either standards have gone down, or it's a melinnial thing... But half my time on watch was spent getting asked by CRUDES SWOs how to operate their ships (basic stuff they probably should know to get qualified...I have no idea how many GTEs you should have online to keep up with me, and I'm not going to tell you how to turn to avoid a collision with a contact...). The one time they were trusted to execute a strike they messed that all to hell.
Hopefully my strike group experience was an isolated incident.
I hope it was. I certainly don't speak of all SWOs.
The same way I hope you don't speak for all P-3 crews in C6F who couldn't stay up in comms, needed constant cues via voice to update their orbits, and who- at least once-dropped their buoys f-ing miles from where *they had told us* that they were going to.
And in terms of what you were doing on the CVN (as a P-3 guy, I assume CV TAO)... CVs are famous for being f-ing horrible ship drivers. I might be one of the few SWOs who has empathy and understands why the manning, training, and circumstances of the CV make them such horrific ship drivers. Still, hope you understand why SWOs have very good reason to "ask you how to operate" A.K.A. ask you how to not collide with them.
Also, as a P-3 guy, congrats for actually have batteries release authority of 2-4 weapons. While it's 3% of what a SWO has at his disposal...it's 2-4 more weapons than a Hawkeye guy has...
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I've been pretty open about P-3 tactical ineptitude on many occasions.
Our own ship drivers had some issues too.. We violated territorial waters of a nation we were passing by at least once while our OOD was trying to pass merchants to stay on PIM... If a P-3 crew did that they all would have have gotten shitcanned.
I always found it interesting that the escort TAO would ask someone on another ship, for input about what they should do before asking their own OOD, or even their Captain. Perhaps I'd have felt differently if I was a SWO, but as a P-3 guy I knew my seamanship qualifications were limited to my Skipper B qual in ROTC... I was probably the last person they should have been asking direction from...
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Get the fuck out of here... are you serious? No really, are you comparing a ship grounding to this?
Fuck outta here and go back to Sailor Bob. Jesus fucking wept.
You are either an amazing troll or a fucking idiot.
Your post shows an ignorance of the level of how much an enlisted QM factors into how we navigate into port. Do you think an NFO is more integral to an E-2 landing on a CVN? I'd argue an NFO is much less essential than the QM in these evolutions.
Your job in your profile is listed as TAO. Oh wow...you must be one hell of an aviator that they put you on a ship in CIC...
Your post shows an ignorance of the level of how much an enlisted QM factors into how we navigate into port. Do you think an NFO is more integral to an E-2 landing on a CVN? I'd argue an NFO is much less essential than the QM in these evolutions.
Your job in your profile is listed as TAO. Oh wow...you must be one hell of an aviator that they put you on a ship in CIC...
Troll status confirmed.
I know enough about ship handling to still think you are full of shit when you compare a cable snap recovery with a grounding.
Your QMSN didn't risk being drowned to death strapped into his chair if he fucked up the plot in the channel going 5kts. That NFO you're bagging on risked his ass every day he walked to the plane. Your risk standing OOD, TAO, ElectrO, or whatever on DDG X doesn't even come close. Stop trying to compare shit you clearly don't understand.
The NFO on the crew getting an Air Medal might be worthy of debate but you ought to know better than to be the one to raise that question, it isn't your place to do so as a SWO and especially on a board full of folks who are qualified aviators. It is like me trying to critique a pilot's landing as a FO. Though this isn't the first time you have spoken up about something outside your lane here so I can't say I am surprised.
When your job is to strap your ass into an aircraft then you can speak up, until then it is probably a good idea to STFU.
Considering how far your head would have to be up your ass for them to be the saving grace of such an evolution, they should get a medal for that.
Your post shows an ignorance of the level of how much an enlisted QM factors into how we navigate into port. Do you think an NFO is more integral to an E-2 landing on a CVN? I'd argue an NFO is much less essential than the QM in these evolutions.
Your job in your profile is listed as TAO. Oh wow...you must be one hell of an aviator that they put you on a ship in CIC...
Someone has to do the TAO jobs, God knows your community can't keep enough people around to fill any extra billets. You're a fucking troll and, in reality, just playing into the stereotype of a broke off bitter SWO; well done.