How is that article bizarre or dangerous?
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Europe under extreme duress
- Thread starter Randy Daytona
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Is his campaign team publicly announcing there is a MANPAD threat to him? Why would they put this out?
Putting out a public formal list of security requests does nothing, but begs questions why?. This stuff should be behind closed doors. That was my point.
1. This is not a public release - it’s an article from a media outlet using named and unnamed sources. There is nuance here but it’s not quite as forceful.
2. Previous, closed-door requests perhaps did not get the attention the campaign felt was warranted.
3. This is normal business for the beltway and not out-of-line.
It would be a different story if, for example, we observed any of the following:
- the campaign published an official release attacking DHS, USSS, or the WH (not observed)
- mid level officials at DHS or USSS were named/shamed in the article (not observed)
- specific capabilities or vulnerabilities were detailed (not observed)
- if there were disagreements on the facts between Trump and Biden staff (not observed)
I actually think the article presents a picture of some good cooperation between the Trump and Biden camps. We’ll see whether Trump gets any aircraft, but now nobody can claim he never asked for it.
That was my guess too- they’re making the request public to ensure it doesn’t get “misplaced”.
I'm not denigrating your points but, If there is a surface to air threat to a presidential candidate, that is quite something. And if it was executed, the regime who ordered it would be cooked. Pretty sure we'd figure it out quickly, and respond.
Can we agree that non-POTUS dudes don't need anti-missile defense systems on their aircraft while barnstorming around CONUS?
Can we agree that non-POTUS dudes don't need anti-missile defense systems on their aircraft while barnstorming around CONUS?
Negative.
Per my friend at USSS, all bets are off in the wake of *two* assassination attempts. Funding is no longer supposed to be a LIMFAC. The two major party candidates are now to be treated as POTUS. Heck, Trump *was* POTUS.
WWIII here we come...
I'm sure they'll integrate well into that well-oiled Russian meat grinder.
The fact that isolationists ignore stuff like this, and are willing to sacrifice UKR is appalling. The West should be calling their bluff, and allow our weapons to be used for deeper strikes, IMO....I'm willing to bet we won't all die in a nuclear fire, if we do.
If we let RUS, China, DPRK, Iran prevail in UKR, it will be a stain on our country, and not end there.
Liked only because I am too old and too fat to get into the fight. But I fear the comment is shockingly close to the truth.
vxc961
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Spot on...UKR is offering to do all the fighting and dying, and just asking to supply the weapons and the ability to use them. I honestly can't wrap my head around the America first viewpoint.
Ryan McBeth did a decent video on DPRK's contribution to the fight a day or so.
The political leadership don’t fear Putin’s army, his navy, or his air power…they fear his nukes.
vxc961
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Yeah, I guess? You can never be flippant about a nuclear threat, but how would that play out? They drop a sample nuke over the black sea, or a tactical nuke in UKR (which they claim is Russia, btw)...then what? Even Putin would have to know he'd lose all his chicken-S allies or apologists except maybe Belarus and North Korea? I can't imagine the BRICS countries or anyone except Team America: World Police level dictators not condemning him at that point. Medvedev starting rattling the nuclear saber after the first pro-Ukrainian retweet...at this point I'd love somebody to explain how rewarding a nuclear bully helps anyone's interest in the long run.
I'll try to dig up the article, but I heard Zelensky has alluded to the fact that the only security guarantees for UKR are NATO membership or getting their own nukes. "So if NATO's off the table..." I think that's the message we're broadcasting to every 3rd world dictator if we let it go [NOTE: not trying to say you're arguing FOR any of this BS Griz, you just gave me a springboard during my morning coffee to talk about it).
I'll try to dig up the article, but I heard Zelensky has alluded to the fact that the only security guarantees for UKR are NATO membership or getting their own nukes. "So if NATO's off the table..." I think that's the message we're broadcasting to every 3rd world dictator if we let it go [NOTE: not trying to say you're arguing FOR any of this BS Griz, you just gave me a springboard during my morning coffee to talk about it).
Unfortunately there is also a small but not insignificant slice of folks that admire his governing style and at least some of his views.
I honestly don't know. So much that previously had been taboo has been rationalized by so many that a small tactical nuke or several used on the battlefield may not have the pariah effect on Putin as most assume.