Fight's On! The origins of TOPGUN and dogfights back in the day/future prospects

[FLYTPAY]

Col. Rodriquez is a Citadel grad!

 

[bunk22]

Col. Rodriquez is a Citadel grad!

Funny in that the Saudi's believe those folks from the moutainous region (in the South I think) make the best aviators. I've heard it more than once, even in a CO's office as to why this particular bad student should stay in the program...he's from that region where all our good pilots come from. The Saudi pilot who downed the two Mirage F1's in the Gulf War is from that area....regardless of the circumstances, the reasons, this is why he shot down those two planes. Not saying Citadel grads are not the best, I'm just sayin

 

[FLYTPAY]

Not saying Citadel grads are not the best, I'm just sayin

I personally am striving to be the first to down five Tomcats That might cause riots in Oceana:icon_smil My form partner at Whiting was a Saudi....he forgot to take his PCL, realized it before starting up on the solo but decided to press rather than go inside and get it.....pretty indicative of how the Saudis fly, it's a cultural thing.

 

[nittany03]

I personally am striving to be the first to down five Tomcats That might cause riots in Oceana:icon_smil My form partner at Whiting was a Saudi....he forgot to take his PCL, realized it before starting up on the solo but decided to press rather than go inside and get it.....pretty indicative of how the Saudis fly, it's a cultural thing.

I hope pink paper isn't culturally offensive . . . holy crap.

 

[FLYTPAY]

I hope pink paper isn't culturally offensive . . . holy crap.

He got away with it.

 

[bunk22]

I personally am striving to be the first to down five Tomcats That might cause riots in Oceana:icon_smil My form partner at Whiting was a Saudi....he forgot to take his PCL, realized it before starting up on the solo but decided to press rather than go inside and get it.....pretty indicative of how the Saudis fly, it's a cultural thing.

I work with 3 civilians, all former Navy or Marine Corps helo pilots. One of them spent 12 years in Kingdom training Saudi pilots to fly Puma's.....he has the best stories of incompetence, lack of skills, lack of motivation, etc, etc. I could write 10 pages on what I've seen thus far as from the prep school for the Saudis.

 

[HackerF15E]

I work with 3 civilians, all former Navy or Marine Corps helo pilots. One of them spent 12 years in Kingdom training Saudi pilots to fly Puma's.....he has the best stories of incompetence, lack of skills, lack of motivation, etc, etc. I could write 10 pages on what I've seen thus far as from the prep school for the Saudis.

This is a cut-and-paste from one of the end-of-tour reports filed by a USAF F-15E exchange instructor who spent a year with the RSAF:

I would argue that every USAF flyer comes to this country with a true motivation and desire to help the RSAF. But slowly over the course of our tour, that desire is chiseled away. Their inability to provide a consistent schedule – 0430 wakeup one morning and night flying the next – wears on us. The lack of professionalism and respect – instructors who show up late to briefs or debriefs (if at all) and answer cell phones while we brief – wear on us. The repetitive instructional mistakes – realizing that you can only correct the instructors so many times in front of the students before they begin to lose face – wears on us. The administrative buffoonery – showing up at 0530 only to find that your brief time was moved to 1000 or your sortie was cancelled all together and nobody bothered to tell you – wears us on. The maintenance fears – knowing the extent to which RSAF maintenance pencil whips their forms and wondering whether your jet will return safely – wears on us. The WSOs who are scheduled to fly only several times a month become aggravated. The pilots who are scheduled to double-turn with no chance to debrief become aggravated. The desire to teach and help the RSAF thrive is replaced with a desire for self-preservation and the realization that trying to make them better is losing battle that will only cause you frustration.
While USMTM advisors remain in place to assist RSAF aircrew, they will never become a proficient or self-sufficient Air Force.

 

[bunk22]

This is a cut-and-paste from one of the end-of-tour reports filed by a USAF F-15E exchange instructor who spent a year with the RSAF:

All I can say is yep. All very similar to what I've heard dealing with them in Kingdom. Out here, they are under are rules but it isn't always easy to get them in line. Dealing with the liason is a royal pain in the butt as well. I'm not going to go into a rant however, it would be never ending.

 

[MasterBates]

Tell us how you REALLY feel Bunky!

 

[HeyJoe]

Tell us how you REALLY feel Bunky!

That's always the problem with Bunky, he sugarcoats everything.

He only bares his fangs when a poser is on the loose here or on his car forum haunts.

 

[bunk22]

I've probably said too much already. It's just very frustrating at times. Some of the studs are actually pretty good but the bad ones leave the sour taste.

 

[Flash]

I've probably said too much already. It's just very frustrating at times. Some of the studs are actually pretty good but the bad ones leave the sour taste.

The Saudi in my T-2 class was actually decent, he would have passed even if he was not Saudi. Definitely can't say that for all of them though.

 

[bunk22]

The Saudi in my T-2 class was actually decent, he would have passed even if he was not Saudi. Definitely can't say that for all of them though.

Even a blind squirrel gets the nut once in a while...I think that's the saying.

 

[MasterBates]

Blind Squirrel Theory is how I have made it this far!

 

[bunk22]

Blind Squirrel Theory is how I have made it this far!

It works for many of us!