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Random Griz Aviation Musings

Gatordev said:
Who starts a helicopter manually? What is this, the Dark Ages? Next you're going to tell us to pump the accelerator in our cars before turning a "key."
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well, compared to most modern engines that start on their own - doing the whole 14 in 6, below 80 coming to idle, etc......is kind of like starting a helo manually.
 
hscs said:
well, compared to most modern engines that start on their own - doing the whole 14 in 6, below 80 coming to idle, etc......is kind of like starting a helo manually.
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I agree. It's quite pedestrian. I live a much more civilized life now.
 
I'm not sure what that is.

@hscs can correct me if I misunderstood, but I was told by former HS guys in one of my squadrons that the Foxtrot could do a Huffer start.

It was never a thing in the Bravo NATOPs since back then, they usually wouldn't be co-located with a F-14.
 
Gatordev said:
I'm not sure what that is.

@hscs can correct me if I misunderstood, but I was told by former HS guys in one of my squadrons that the Foxtrot could do a Huffer start.

It was never a thing in the Bravo NATOPs since back then, they usually wouldn't be co-located with a F-14.
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Yes, you could do a buffer start. Don’t know anyone who did though. I did test the battery only start once when my APU Gen died but the app was still working.
 
Gatordev said:
I'm not sure what that is.

@hscs can correct me if I misunderstood, but I was told by former HS guys in one of my squadrons that the Foxtrot could do a Huffer start.

It was never a thing in the Bravo NATOPs since back then, they usually wouldn't be co-located with a F-14.
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I thought the Sikorsky design might carry over, but I guess not.

There were occasional situations when trying to start an engine that pressing the button on the Speed Control Lever(SCL) while the SCL was in the Off position it wouldn't make the mechanical contact to engage the starter.

It wasn't like a big deal, but if you'd never been taught, it was magic. Boot HACs wouldn't make it out of the ramp.

You'd crack the SCL a bit off the Off position, and stick a pen from your left arm pocket to to engage the switch. Once it got got to 20 pct Ng, you'd move the SCL to ground idle, and remove the pen. Obviously, then MAF it after the flight. It was not a procedure in NATOPS, but I guess wasn't prohibited...

I thought maybe it was a ubiquitous Sikorsky thing, but sounds like a -53 thing.
 
hscs said:
Yes, you could do a buffer start. Don’t know anyone who did though. I did test the battery only start once when my APU Gen died but the app was still working.
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So that's where that particular scenario came from on my HAC board
 
The Bravo NATOPS makes mention of a pneumatic cross-bleed start capability - I'm guessing the Foxtrot has a place to couple a pneumatic line to an engine (similar to the CF34 motor on regional jets). Get it turning and you are in business as long as you have battery power? (or engine driven alternator sufficient?)

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ChuckMK23 said:
The Bravo NATOPS makes mention of a pneumatic cross-bleed start capability - I'm guessing the Foxtrot has a place to couple a pneumatic line to an engine (similar to the CF34 motor on regional jets). Get it turning and you are in business as long as you have battery power? (or engine driven alternator sufficient?)

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I know the Bravo retired in 2015, but maybe let's not post NATOPS excerpts on public forums.
 
Griz882 said:
When I was a kid I lived just north of there in a town called Mona Shores (not far from Muskegon Airport).
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Mona Shores? I've got a lot of family up there. They live right next to Mona Shores High School. Didn't know you are a Western Michigan kind of guy!


There's also a brewery next to the HS called "The Salty Pecker". Cool spot.
 
Swanee said:
Mona Shores? I've got a lot of family up there. They live right next to Mona Shores High School. Didn't know you are a Western Michigan kind of guy!


There's also a brewery next to the HS called "The Salty Pecker". Cool spot.
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Let’s get together?
 
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