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The end of NATO?
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Other orgs not DoD (DHS, NSA) still use it. Just to keep us guessing, I guess. 🙃
Be glad you were gone before it happened. It’s an excuse to limit the distribution of absolutely everything through overuse of the marking. Even my fucking retirement approval letter came marked “CUI”.
Controlled Unclassified Information is sensitive information that the government creates or possesses, which requires safeguarding or dissemination controls according to laws, regulations, or government-wide policies, but is not classified. It is important for ensuring that certain types of information are properly protected while still being unclassified.
FOIA applies to CUI.
Pretty good (IMHO) write up from a verified SWO O-6.
From the perspective of most people on this forum, that post really oughta be the end of this discussion. It addresses every salient point. That said, there are people (here and elsewhere) tying themselves in rhetorical and bad-faith knots, and it's a really bad look for the profession.
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He bowls overhand.
Meh, some of the anecdotes seem extreme based on the information provided. It screams of a community whose only interaction with enlisted sailors is through a CMC.
It reminds me of an anecdote at a fleet command where a skimmer E9 wanted to send an E5 to mast because the E9 thought the E5 was sleeping on watch. E5 was simply slouching in the chair. The flag officer's response was "are you telling me that there are no leadership tools to correct behavior between nothing and mast?"
Personally, I've only seen two people hung out to dry for security violations. One was compliing information and had a clear intent to sell to a malign actor. The other was an add-on charge to infidelity with another sailor's wife. Every other instance was dealt in a manner similar to @wink's anecdote - some kind of stern talking to that had no career repercussions or reduction in rank.
Perhaps that's a bad look for the profession. But I distinctly remember a now retired O-6 who flew F-14s early in my career advising me to always separate errors of omission from errors of commission.
Perhaps I'm a hugger.... but I'll exhaust a half-dozen different institutional culture explanations for why a sailor spilled classified information before I conclude that it's a malign actor who volunteered for military service solely to harm the security of the United States of America.
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I acknowledge and respect your self-characterization as a hugger, and I'd like to think my approach to XOIs and Mast (particularly for junior Sailors) was one of firm yet compassionate remediation, not a straight line to separation or other harsh outcomes....but....the folks I had zero tolerance for were people in positions of increased responsibility and authority who abused it. There are mistakes of omission, commission, and then there are those of positional abuse. This (and many similar to it across the years) are abuses of privileges and position. That IMO is a different set of circumstances warranting a different set of consequences.
It is the updated FOIA, kinda, but more broadly applied since nobody knows when it applies
I genuinely think if Wink’s JO had walked out of a SCIF with TS/SCI material to study and left it on the road, there would have been a different outcome.
Accepting you are correct, though, almost everyone involved in the chat situation had Original Classification Authority. They were literally at the absolute top of the classification food chain. Nowhere higher to go.
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So what could the Houthis have done with a 2 hour heads up?
Corollary,, if Goldberg (or Musk or other) had tweeted the strike plans 2 hours prior, would the strike have gone on? Would you, as a striker, be pissed knowing the enemy knows your plan, and had had 2 hours to prep for you?
The Atlantic published the full chats. This was 2 hours prior to TOT. Could the Houthis have done something with this advance information?
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www.theatlantic.com
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Here Are the Attack Plans That Trump’s Advisers Shared on Signal
The administration has downplayed the importance of the text messages inadvertently sent to The Atlantic’s editor in chief.
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