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WHO DO YOU LIKE for Pres ... ???
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You give the south too much credit.
White_Male
New Member
Duh. I think the bigger fear is what he will do when dealing with muslim countries or terrorists. What policies he will enact and what he will turn a blind eye to.
The Obama-as-Manchurian-Candidate meme is damn hilarious... he spent two years in a Muslim school when he was 7-9, if I recall correctly - after that, he was in Catholic schools. He's Catholic now. But hey, he's got a funny name and dark skin, so that's gotta count for something.
thull
Well-Known Member
ha ha...probably right.
White_Male
New Member
You know what? You're right. He is a liberal which means that he will most likely do everything I mentioned anyway.
Cate
Pretty much invincible
You make me sad.
While I enjoy being right, what does that have to do with him being liberal?
White_Male
New Member
I meant to say:
"You're right. Most likely it doesn't matter that he spent a couple years in a Muslim school when he was a kid.
Furthermore, he should not be feared any more than any other liberal."
"You're right. Most likely it doesn't matter that he spent a couple years in a Muslim school when he was a kid.
Furthermore, he should not be feared any more than any other liberal."
I agree that his Muslim heritage doesn't imply some kind of Manchurian Candidate scenario, but it will spook the vast majority of the electorate who may not appreciate such esoteric distinctions.
Brett
Disagree Brett...most of those that would be spooked by him being black or a ticking Muslim time-bomb are probably not going to vote Democratic anyway.
The last two presidential elections show the country very close to evenly split. If he was the Dem nomination, I'll bet you that a huge percentage of Democrats vote for him, as they would probably vote against any Republican after the last two defeats and the way this President was polarizing spending the "capital" he received from his slim victory. I've never seen the Dem base as energized as the mid-term, so I think the Democratic nominee would get most of the Democratic votes.
As for the Republicans voting for him; not really a factor...the numbers just don't support him having to beg for their support. So we are really talking about whether the swing voters would support him. I think he will have the cash to put out his message in places like Ohio and Virginia that are turning purple, and still have California, all of New England, Minnesota, and probably Florida. Remember, if Kerry had won Ohio he would have been President, as would Al Gore if he had taken Florida.
Does anyone want to wager (sort of) on candidates? My wager is if the guy I'm handicapping (Obama) loses the Dem nomination I will contribute cash to Air Warriors. Maybe $30?:icon_tong
Sounds like a budgeting and management problem, not a funding one.
Won't disagree with you there, although if they had more funding maybe I would have been able to stay a year in Rio
Courtesy of our good friends at snopes.com:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
And by the way, I was wrong with my earlier assertion that Obama is Catholic... he's a long-time member of the United Church of Christ, which is decidedly not Catholic.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
And by the way, I was wrong with my earlier assertion that Obama is Catholic... he's a long-time member of the United Church of Christ, which is decidedly not Catholic.
Bill Richardson
A sampling of some of the newspaper editorials on Bill Richardson who was "Asleep at the Wheel" during security breaches at the Los Alamos Labs. Scarey stuff. This guy definitely does NOT have my vote. And, when you learn more about what he allowed to be compromised, makes you wonder if both he and Sandy Berger shouldn't be sharing the same cell in prison.
INTRO: For the second time in a year, important
information on United States nuclear weapons is
missing from one of the nation's top secret
laboratories.
The information, stored on two computer devices, is
believed to have disappeared from the Los Alamos, New
Mexico National Laboratory, around the time a huge
forest fire was threatening the facility. The missing
data was not reported to top government officials
for several weeks. That delay has added to the
outrage of congressional critics, who say the Energy
Department, the agency responsible for maintaining the
nation's nuclear weapons, is unable to safeguard
nuclear secrets. Like Congress, the nation's press is
pretty upset as we hear now from _____________ in
today's U-S Opinion Roundup.
Less than a year ago, it was discovered that a
Chinese-born U-S nuclear scientist, Wen Ho Lee, had
taken highly classified data from his office computer
at the Los Alamos laboratory and transferred it to his
home computer.
There was great concern at the time that this
information might have fallen into the hands of
foreign countries, but Mr. Lee steadfastly denied
that. He was eventually fired from the laboratory,
and arrested on charges of mishandling classified
data.
Now the Los Alamos laboratory is involved in another
serious security breach. We begin our sampling with
The Los Angeles Times.
Energy Secretary Bill Richardson's earlier
assurances that security flaws at the Los Alamos
National Laboratory had been fixed turn out to be not
just wrong but ridiculous. The disappearance of
secret nuclear data on two computer hard drives from a
vault at the New Mexico weapons facility reveals
continuing laxity in safeguarding highly sensitive
information. ... The missing hard drives contain
information about Russian and Chinese nuclear weapons,
as well as weapons of American allies. The danger of
this material falling into the wrong hands is obvious.
The New York Times calls the case "appalling,"
and spells out why the loss is so serious.
The two computer hard drives contained data
used to respond to nuclear accidents or terrorist
attacks. They have been missing from a secure vault
at the lab since at least early May. Staff members of
the Nuclear Emergency Search Team, the group
responsible for managing the hard drives, became aware
of their disappearance on May 7th, but there are
reports that the drives were last seen for certain in
early April. ... Incredibly, the lab does not even
require staff members to sign a log when they remove
classified material, making it hard to determine when
or why or by whom material is removed. That will now
have to be determined by a federal inquiry after the
fact.
The federal government has fundamental duties.
One is the protection of nuclear secrets.
Unfortunately, the Department of Energy can't seem to
meet the task. Yes, Bill Richardson knows how to
scare people.
Bill Richardson is taking a pounding in
Congress over the latest security debacle at the Los
Alamos weapons lab. Appropriately so. The department
is incapable of stopping the theft and exploitation of
secrets related to development, testing and
maintenance of America's nuclear arsenal. ... The
failures fall squarely on Los Alamos where a
scientific community obviously views security as an
issue for military weenies and ... spy chasers.
Inventory, control and audit systems are a joke to the
Ph.Ds in the lab. Taxpayers ought to be enraged.
Security lapses represent genuine threats to national
security. Secrets are in circulation that could do
the nation harm.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know
that something has gone dreadfully wrong with security
in the most sensitive areas of our government. Latest
revelation: Staffers waited more than three weeks to
report that two computer hard drives containing
nuclear secrets had vanished from Los Alamos National
Laboratory. ... Espionage and terrorism remain
constant threats. May we never find out how lethal
such incompetence can prove.
Once again the Energy Department, and the
Clinton administration, face a huge and troubling
unknown growing out of what appears to have been a
cavalier attitude toward security throughout the
government.
And the first should be that of Secretary of
Energy Bill Richardson. ... [At] one time [he] had
been one of the more acceptable members of the
otherwise undesirable Clinton crowd. But he has
performed abysmally in safeguarding our nuclear
secrets. ... Bill Richardson needs to resign.
When the Wen Ho Lee scandal broke last year, a
contrite Energy Secretary Bill Richardson vowed to
Congress and the nation that tougher controls would be
imposed at U-S nuclear weapons labs ... Apparently,
those promises contained little but the hot air that
circulates over New Mexico's desert. [Mr.] Lee is the
former Los Alamos scientist who was fired in March
1999 and subsequently charged with mishandling
government secrets. ... On Monday ... officials
disclosed that at the same lab where [Mr.] Lee worked,
two computer hard drives containing detailed nuclear
weapons data disappeared from a supposedly secure
vault ...[were perhaps] lost or misplaced when parts
of the lab were evacuated in May when a forest fire
threatened. ... The F-B-I and Energy Department are
trying to find the missing drives... At least as
important is the need to bring to Los Alamos something
it doesn't seem to have: an attitude that genuinely
respects the need to protect vital information...
A sampling of some of the newspaper editorials on Bill Richardson who was "Asleep at the Wheel" during security breaches at the Los Alamos Labs. Scarey stuff. This guy definitely does NOT have my vote. And, when you learn more about what he allowed to be compromised, makes you wonder if both he and Sandy Berger shouldn't be sharing the same cell in prison.
INTRO: For the second time in a year, important
information on United States nuclear weapons is
missing from one of the nation's top secret
laboratories.
The information, stored on two computer devices, is
believed to have disappeared from the Los Alamos, New
Mexico National Laboratory, around the time a huge
forest fire was threatening the facility. The missing
data was not reported to top government officials
for several weeks. That delay has added to the
outrage of congressional critics, who say the Energy
Department, the agency responsible for maintaining the
nation's nuclear weapons, is unable to safeguard
nuclear secrets. Like Congress, the nation's press is
pretty upset as we hear now from _____________ in
today's U-S Opinion Roundup.
Less than a year ago, it was discovered that a
Chinese-born U-S nuclear scientist, Wen Ho Lee, had
taken highly classified data from his office computer
at the Los Alamos laboratory and transferred it to his
home computer.
There was great concern at the time that this
information might have fallen into the hands of
foreign countries, but Mr. Lee steadfastly denied
that. He was eventually fired from the laboratory,
and arrested on charges of mishandling classified
data.
Now the Los Alamos laboratory is involved in another
serious security breach. We begin our sampling with
The Los Angeles Times.
Energy Secretary Bill Richardson's earlier
assurances that security flaws at the Los Alamos
National Laboratory had been fixed turn out to be not
just wrong but ridiculous. The disappearance of
secret nuclear data on two computer hard drives from a
vault at the New Mexico weapons facility reveals
continuing laxity in safeguarding highly sensitive
information. ... The missing hard drives contain
information about Russian and Chinese nuclear weapons,
as well as weapons of American allies. The danger of
this material falling into the wrong hands is obvious.
The New York Times calls the case "appalling,"
and spells out why the loss is so serious.
The two computer hard drives contained data
used to respond to nuclear accidents or terrorist
attacks. They have been missing from a secure vault
at the lab since at least early May. Staff members of
the Nuclear Emergency Search Team, the group
responsible for managing the hard drives, became aware
of their disappearance on May 7th, but there are
reports that the drives were last seen for certain in
early April. ... Incredibly, the lab does not even
require staff members to sign a log when they remove
classified material, making it hard to determine when
or why or by whom material is removed. That will now
have to be determined by a federal inquiry after the
fact.
The federal government has fundamental duties.
One is the protection of nuclear secrets.
Unfortunately, the Department of Energy can't seem to
meet the task. Yes, Bill Richardson knows how to
scare people.
Bill Richardson is taking a pounding in
Congress over the latest security debacle at the Los
Alamos weapons lab. Appropriately so. The department
is incapable of stopping the theft and exploitation of
secrets related to development, testing and
maintenance of America's nuclear arsenal. ... The
failures fall squarely on Los Alamos where a
scientific community obviously views security as an
issue for military weenies and ... spy chasers.
Inventory, control and audit systems are a joke to the
Ph.Ds in the lab. Taxpayers ought to be enraged.
Security lapses represent genuine threats to national
security. Secrets are in circulation that could do
the nation harm.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know
that something has gone dreadfully wrong with security
in the most sensitive areas of our government. Latest
revelation: Staffers waited more than three weeks to
report that two computer hard drives containing
nuclear secrets had vanished from Los Alamos National
Laboratory. ... Espionage and terrorism remain
constant threats. May we never find out how lethal
such incompetence can prove.
Once again the Energy Department, and the
Clinton administration, face a huge and troubling
unknown growing out of what appears to have been a
cavalier attitude toward security throughout the
government.
And the first should be that of Secretary of
Energy Bill Richardson. ... [At] one time [he] had
been one of the more acceptable members of the
otherwise undesirable Clinton crowd. But he has
performed abysmally in safeguarding our nuclear
secrets. ... Bill Richardson needs to resign.
When the Wen Ho Lee scandal broke last year, a
contrite Energy Secretary Bill Richardson vowed to
Congress and the nation that tougher controls would be
imposed at U-S nuclear weapons labs ... Apparently,
those promises contained little but the hot air that
circulates over New Mexico's desert. [Mr.] Lee is the
former Los Alamos scientist who was fired in March
1999 and subsequently charged with mishandling
government secrets. ... On Monday ... officials
disclosed that at the same lab where [Mr.] Lee worked,
two computer hard drives containing detailed nuclear
weapons data disappeared from a supposedly secure
vault ...[were perhaps] lost or misplaced when parts
of the lab were evacuated in May when a forest fire
threatened. ... The F-B-I and Energy Department are
trying to find the missing drives... At least as
important is the need to bring to Los Alamos something
it doesn't seem to have: an attitude that genuinely
respects the need to protect vital information...
greysword
Boldly lick where no one has licked before
I have not yet read pages 2-4, but I just voted for Hillary on this poll.
There are several reasons why I think she would be the best candidate:
1) She has experience in both the Legislative and the Executive branches of our government. True, she never officially held an office, but I think First Lady counts as a cabinet level position, since they advise the President and they create and run large-scale projects for the country.
2) She is a fairly moderate democrat. I think she genuinely cares about military personnel, she seems to be fiscally conservative and shrewd with money, and has taken a conservative stance on the war. I have not fully reviewed her voting record, though.
3) She has good ideas and is not afraid to implement them. She can scrap with the best of them. As an example, her national healthcare plan was the last attempt at proposing such a measure, and I feel we need one to be competitive with the rest of the world in the marketplace. It would need to be more privatized than initially proposed, but we need one.
4) If she had any doubt on what decision to make, she would have a two term former President to advise her on what course of action to take. Of course, W could call his father, but it is a little different when all she needs to do is wake up Bill and he is right there to get the information and make recommendations.
5) If a statement needs to be made by electing a woman, at the very least she is competent.
The other choices in the poll are great as well. Obama would be very charismatic, but he does not have enough experience in my opinion. Bill Richardson would be great, and I enjoyed watching him in the UN. He certainly has Executive Branch experience on a national level. John Edwards would be a good choice, and little would change with him.
This may not be a popular choice on here, but these are my thoughts. Personally, if John McCain runs, I'll vote for him. He is an independent thinker and a moderate Republican.